Just ordered mephedrone from a different vendor for the first time and noticed a HUGE difference in not only appearance but the effects of mephedrone crystals vs. powder. The crystals seem to be more stimulating (like coke) while the powder is more empathic (like MDMA). I just bought crystals again from a third vendor and am finding these observations still apply. It's almost like they're not the same drug even. Everyone seems to be looking for crystals, but I FAR prefer the sparkly off-white powder to the tiny shards. Anyone else agree? Or know what could be the difference? All samples I've ever bought were 99.98% pure at least. (I know I'm not the only one to notice a difference, as I've seen others say the same).
Um, crystals? I don't have multi-vendor experience, but I've seen a bag or two. Could post pics of the shards hygroscopic-ally reforming into multi-gm rocks if a picture says a thousand words... I have to re-mill everything for nasal insufflation, or it will cause cuts and make you bleed.
perhaps these crystals are not mephedrone? sounds very suspicious about the different effects... keep in mind though that a line of the crystal will weigh more than one of equal mass of the powder.. do you weigh your doses? perhaps this is a case of varying effects for varying doses but it really sounds like two different compounds. perhaps a reagent test could be in order if you can obtain some more of the original powder stuff then compare the two? also i suppose it could be possible that one form is racemic and the other is dextro or levo? just a speculation. all the meph ive obtained has always been the off-white powder and all of it has been entactogenic/empathogenic with strong stimulant after effects
Crystals should just be less crushed.... and as oxidationofterra said, therefore different doses sizes will look the same... I think there's a freebase that you can smoke that comes in crystals.... but of course that will have different effects, and you would NOT want to snort basic shards....
I do crush the shards up before snorting, though I learned that lesson the hard way! I was thinking the crystals I've gotten could be something like 4-mec, which is being sold as the "legal" alternative nowadays. It's supposed to be almost dysphoric w/ a horrible comedown from what I've read. Both the powder and crystals have a similarly horrid comedown, so no clues there... Anyway, this difference in effects goes back to the UK in 2009, before meph was scarce or taboo (saw this discussion on another forum). So I'm thinking it's just the nature of the different syntheses or smtg. The crystals (when powdered and snorted) cause much worse stomach burning/acid than the powder and seem to be more stimulating overall. And not in a good way. I've gotten crystals from two different vendors now, and both have identical effects while the powder is more similar to what I've read meph should be like. Thanks for your feedback!
Yeah, sounds to me like you're trying to snort freebase mephedrone... I'm supprised it's doing anything other than burning your nose out, but you should try taking it orally, and comparing it to oral use of normal mephedrone. The acid in your stomach should make it into an acid form, and it should have almost the same effects, if I'm right.
Well thanks for the rep, but i COULD be wrong. It's just what I expect. I expect your vendor would say SOMETHING about what it is, what are the names each one has used? Are there any words or abbriviations or anything before or after the chemical name? Also, you could try smoking it in the way you would smoke meth, by vaporizing it in a meth pipe or other similar pipe, if it works then it's probably freebase. Again, this is just my 2 cents, I'm no expert, I've only ever railed mephedrone salts.
Ive only had powder and not very much of it. Based on the effects you are reporting sounds like I'd prefer the powder as well, that's stimulating enough as is. Do the crystals reek as well?
hmm i believe Roorshack could be onto something here.. freebase.. it would explain the excess stomach distrubance. you could test it by dissolving a small amount (like 100mg) into 1ml of distilled water add a drop or two of fresh water PH tester (from a aquarium supplier or petshop) if it tests basic, Roorshack is right and you have freebase. if its acidic it is a salt. if it is freebase you can titrate it into a HCL salt quite easily.
Freebase...interesting. Never thought of that possibility! Vendor doesn't say anything about it other than calling it crystal mephedrone. My old vendor sold the exact same thing and it seems to be preferred by most meph users, so either we've all been duped or crystals really are better!
I've smoked the mephedrone crystals before. I got it via on the street and it was powder AND crystals. it does work and quite good at that. I got powder and crystal mephedrone on the way from previously used online sources... The crystal isn't like big shards. There are the occasional rock salt sized pieces but it honestly looks like the powder for the most part. But upon closer examination, you can tell they are very tiny crystals. Crystal was much stronger IMHO. jacks magic beans has very high quality crystal from experience...
Yea, my vendors are Chinese. Big bags. Names? The certified importation documents indicate things like titanium dioxide, and other misc isht... but, I've been dealing with ONE primary vendor for years. His 4mmc is increasingly seized, though officially he is discontinued the product - its 'under the counter' for good clients. However, increasing scrutiny is making delivery almost impossible, for me, here, at the moment. I'll have to _move_ to get more, direct, from there. Names? mephedrone, 4mmc is the subject at hand, but this vendor is more known for, and I was initially a client that would only buy his, methylone. If I spoke/wrote in Cantonese I imagine we could come up with more names - for the same stuff. Meow. I'm averse to base-pipes, like needles - but understand they are tools that must be respected, further study necessary. Thanks for the two pennies! Sometimes it is like pulling teeth when I ask to compare notes on meph with others, and everyone seems to dummy up to my direct questions. I primarily rail the grains. Tried and for awhile appreciated plugging. However, when I tried to parachute or gel-cap orally, the onset was ALWAYS too strong, and delayed from ingestion - left me feeling a bit out of control as I can't purge my stomach as well as blowing my nose or coppin a squat. I also get irritating burns from nasal drippings that fall out my nose - acidic/caustic burns I dunno, I'll find out I guess - I've a digital Ph pen handy. And the efforts to rub/scrub/disinfect the irritated 'kleenex abused' nostrils, keeping my nose a bit red and swollen - gotta keep bactracin ointment on it to keep healing instead of festering, etc. I hate sniffling my time away, and runny nose is also indicant of users... Always looking for a better ROA. 'Could be wrong' r 'what you expect' - no matter; I need user testimonials for aggregating a larger database of anecdotes for building my own view of wtf is going on, using my limited sensory tools. Rep +1 Roor, thanks for sharing, I appreciate the info. :2thumbsup: Odour being a subjective, relative thing due to personal sensory tools... When I was getting good m1, I was able to hound out the bag in a room where one had been opened. I could walk into a room, whiff, and by scent alone - be certain a big bag of m1 had its seal cracked, or someone spilt a gram or more into a circulation fan to 'antique' your space like a kid pranking around with a bag of flour. ATM, my judgement is, when I inhale this batch of 4mmc, I cannot smell the substance when I open my bag, and shake it... but once you stuff it up your nose, I get an immediate sense of what I call 'wet dog'. For several minutes immediately, in bits over time, and even residue washing out when it finally drips out of my system. Once I perceived the 'wet dog' to be in my sheets after sleeping in bed and waking up the next day. And, in my education, I see IV/IM is also a ROA. While I've avoided self-medication through this method, I am tempted to try it - knowing this is not china white or peruvian marching powder. Just don't wanna fuck up and be the darwin case of why not to do that rcable does. I've gotten abcesses, infection, and just plain need to be more careful/sterile and steadyhanded to attack this project w/o any observers. +1 for the basic lesson here, I'd love to see a tutorial for Ph testing for the dummy - but expect I could take a specialised class just to grasp many elementary chemistry actions that are still magical to me. I may have to finger out the base<->hcl bathtub conversion method, through denial and error unless there are more detailed steps and advice for the greenhorn.
You don't have the freebase, that would be an oily liquid and caustic as fuck. Probably another drug or mix of drugs. In theory crystal or powder should make no difference, except that powder is easier to cut.
I'm only an armchair chemist through experience... I've got a Ph meter handy to test Ph, though I'm now calibrating it to bring it out of disuse. Once, when I was first receiving 4mmc, I was given a 'test' batch. It was noticeably 'not white' and very granular like unmilled or processed sugar. Sure, it was plenty psychosis-inducing for the plants - but when mixed with water, instead of turning to a miscible solution - a ugly green sludge formed! A tar so mighty it 'tarbabied' anything the blob touched and had to be junked. Odd huh? Inferences? Hey, no one here has ever seen freebase as a solid, and not an oily liquid? :juggle::clown: (Caustic is right, burns like hell but maybe not an acidic burn, but a chemical spill for sure - further testing needed.)
are you sure this paticular freebase would be a liquid at room temp?? many freebases form the carbonate salts on exposure to air and alot of freebase alkaloids do crystallize as freebase solids given time, look at DMT.
