Have you been more scared on weed than on any other psychedelics?

Sooooooooo here's a pretty interesting subject to me. Being a total chickenshit when it comes to psychedelics, I've posted here a few times asking about how to/what to/when to/ and all that jazz about taking psychedelics.

To my surprise, something pretty interesting came up in those discussions. I've read a few times from a few different people that Maridjewanna has made them more scared/paranoid/tripping out than any other psychedelic drug, even at higher doses.

I'm a regular weed user, and I've gotten paranoid off it before, but it never lasts long and I can always get it together real quick. I know that doesnt make me immune to having a badtrip on psychedelics and that it doesnt mean that if I can handle weed I can handle acid or shrooms or whatever, but that's besides the point anyways.

That being said, the question is: ''in your experience, is there any truth to the aforementionned statement? In general, has weed freaked you out more than psych's?''

 

I've had full-blown panic attacks a few times from getting too stoned, to the point of actually passing out and having convulsions, and it was always from being paranoid about my heartrate. That was when me and one or two friends would burn through an ounce in a night though. As crazy as it sounds, the high always ended up being amazing when it happened. Those were the occasions when the high was the deepest and most intense. It made music take on a sort of three dimensional quality and it often got to the point of being very psychedelic and dissociating.

Heavier psychedelics have never made me panic though, even at fairly high doses.

 

Actually, funny you ask this because I experienced that a few weeks ago. I've never gotten freaked out or scared on psychadelics before. I've experienced some mind pains on shrooms but that was because my brain was trying to take everything in.
But a few weeks ago I got so stoned that I was completely freaked out and scared. I felt like I was going to die. Not in pain, just my mind was on a completely different level and thinking horrible things about the world around me and I felt like I was viewing my relationships with other people completely from the outside and it felt like they didn't matter because they were going to end anyways.

It was totally weird. I wish I could describe it better. I just know I'm never going to get that stoned again. Not fun

 

There is a lot of truth to the statement. It may sound like total BS, but that's only because you are unaware of one fact about classic psychedelics like LSD. That is the sheer volume of euphoria they produce, and the nature of their cognitive effects. Pot leaves you essentially with the same mindset, just makes your thoughts "louder", feel deeper and more philosophical, and can generate intense anxiety. Psychedelics seriously alter your thoughts to the point where, depending which psychedelic and what dose, the "thoughts" you have do not at all resemble what thoughts normally look like. Along with this, there is an intense, flooring, earth-shattering, orgasmic, orgiastic TSUNAMI of unbelievable pleasure that sweeps across your universe. So a typical psychedelic experience has you in a state of overwhelming euphoria, surrounded by absolute sensorial amazement, wonders, bliss, beauty, all while experiencing very alien thoughts that you have not much reference to vis a vis sober thoughts.

So yeah, weed can definitely rank very high up in terms of "bad times" when compared to the classic psychedelics.

Stop being a chicken shit dude, you sound so ready for it. I can already tell you, just from reading your posts, and how you say that you can handle your shit on weed, that something like LSD is going to be right up your alley

 

My first Salvia breakthrough without question has been the most frightening drug experience of my life.

But yah pot can trigger a pretty good amount of fear/anxiety, Most psychedelics go through like an inventory of emotional responses and thoughts so its constantly shifting. Most psychedelic experiences have elicited some degree of fear during parts of the trip but alot of joy as well and everything in between.

Edit: I thought this over, over a burrito. Psychedelics are generally scarier than weed for me, its just that often I used cannabis pretty causually but psychedelics on the other hand, especially the initial trips, I tend to make out to be these big events to plan around. Especially in those first ~2 years with pot I never had any significant bad times just a fleeting sort of paranoia because I'd be like smoking in a car, on the lookout for cops. As where with my first LSD trip I was a passenger in a car and I buckled my seat belt when it wasn't moving. Its a much more drastic change in perception but for me because I tend to plan around the trip, I have often avoided serious freakouts with psychedelics.

 

Salvia has been the most frightening experience of my life as well, but I used to have some pretty bad panic attacks when I first started smoking weed. One time I completely flipped out because I thought this serial killer that was on the loose halfway across the country had somehow made his way to my house and was trying to break in and kill my mom. I've had some crazy experiences on psychedelics before but I've never came close to having that kind of illogical thought process on anything but weed.

 

I have had more miserable times on Cannabis than I have had on any other drug, including my [limited] experiences with real psychedelics. It simply has to do with the way the drug works. It's neuropharmacological profile is evil if you really read into it. Not only does it (I should say CB1 agonists like THC, not CBD) fuck with glutamate (excitatory- hallucination provoking), but also decreases GABA (the friendly sedating neurotransmitter we all have flowing in our brains to keep us from going nuts- some more than others). That is why the direct CB1 agonists like that JWH bullshit cause so many fucked up responses in people.

 

In my experience, the times I was frightened with major psychedelics was like an all-consuming existential dread that ceased to have anything to do with the drug. The fact that I was on a drug was entirely secondary.

With weed, however, I often feel extremely unpleasant, even painful, sensations all throughout my body, so painful in fact that they take up almost all of my attention and I can't draw myself away from them, and because of this they start to grow and last for weeks. I remember one of the first times I ever got high, I had this terrible sensation at the top of my head, like there was a black hole in the very center of my brain and something immense was pouring through it. I had to keep my spine perfectly straight and couldn't slouch at all or the sensation would triple in it's intensity. The pain lasted for weeks and was so severe that I seriously considered killing myself just to make it stop. I've smoked weed since then and the same thing still happens, except I've found ways to make it manageable and to not extend it's duration, but even still, it's a lot of work and it's why I'm so hesitant to ever smoke cannabis at all.

So, while I'd say other psychedelics have been MORE frightening in a "holy shit can this really be happening" sort of way, it's a sort of mindless terror, an animalistic panic. Whereas weed has scared me in a "wow I've really fucked myself up in a real way, I don't know what's going on and I can't make it stop." It's lasting and analytical. Both are terrifying for their own reasons.

 

I've had very hard times on traditional psychedelics. But not even in the same way that I've had hard times on weed.

Not comparable. But they can both cause hard times.

If you have a hard time, use it to strengthen yourself, don't hide from it. I've never had a drug induced panic that I regret.

In fact the only things I regret doing with drugs are some choices related to alcohol, that whole "lowered inhibitions" thing.... The same with what I've seen in other people. I've never seen someone do something on weed or psychedelics that would make me think less of them, they can get the best of everyone and a panic attack is something to learn from, not lose respect for. But I've lost a lot of respect for a lot of people because of things they did under the influence of alcohol.

 

Yeah i always regret taking weed and get major paranoia.

I've had it on other psys but even after a difficult LSD/Mushrooms/DMT experience i always feel great and am glad i took it, with weed after i can feel a bit shaken up and disturbed... makes me so negative towards life and scared of everything =-S

After a really intense acid trip i smoked a massive bong with no tolerance and it was some chronic anxiety which lasted 10 hours... started drifting out of my body and could see myself from above, had to run home at 4am away from my friends and lay in bed for hours. Not a fan of weed except for in certain drug combos or a couple of tokes occasionally on a mini joint.

 

Damn.....I love weed:love:

 

Wow, this is some fascinating-ass shit! So many awesome fuckin' responses. Who would have thought weed is harder than psychedelics for lots of peeps!

I'm going through some relationship shit right now, and as soon as my feet are back on the ground, ill be ready to fly (lol). Unfortunately can't really get any lucy around here but I think i'm more attracted to Some kind of Cactus anyways if I'm going to go for something long-lasting. Or maybe for my first trip ill try something a little shorter like 2c somethin'. The possibilities are endless!

 

In the past it never bothered me before, but over the last 6 or 7 year I quit, when I started back it started giving my panic attacs. Shooms and lsd and nothing else makes me feel now where close to green. So I just stay away....... I love my fungi mpre anyway

 

i would have forgot to mention it, but this is true for me as well. that's my only breakthrough with salvia.

and i felt like this on mushrooms once (with a buddy who had never tripped, an 1/8th each of good mushies)
just overwhelming sense of despair towards the end of the trip.


but i've experienced overall, probably worse paranoia from weed than from psychedelics. in the early days of smoking though. i rarely 'freak out' while tripping, and if i start to have a 'bad trip' i can usually work my way out of it rather quickly - much like you said you can with cannabis.

here's what gets me - when someone is scared to trip because they don't like smoking. that doesn't mean you will have a bad trip - for the reasons that writer wrote.
but i wouldn't say either that b/c you can handle yourself on weed that you won't have a difficult trip ( i know you aren't saying that )

GO FOR IT!

 

oh or maybe some sweet 4 aco dmt since its shorter, similar to shrooms, and I wont have to anticipate for too long due to the short come up!

 

^^that one is generally well received.

i'm going for some San Pedro extract for my next trip (1st time with mescaline!)

there are 2cxs that are shorter lasting (2cB, 2cC, 2cD) and longer lasting (2cE, 2cT7, 2cP) i bolded the ones that i've actually tried. 2cb is about 5 hours for me, 2ce is like 8ish hours

 

Salvia is pure terror.... pure terror/confusion and insanity.

Even when i came out of one i thought i was being tested by the world because it was so utterly horrible and while i was tripping my computer at the same moment completely tripped out black screen with loads of fucked up text on it so while i'm trying to find reality even that's fucked up so i thought the trip must of been real. my friend then asks for a pipe of it and i thought i was under some major judgement that if i give it to him then i'm evil for putting him through it and i'd suffer...

luckily these feelings didn't last longer than an hour. my first salvia trip i completely left reality, most intense exp of my life and was definitely the most scared i've ever been.

 

I regularly get major anxiety, depression, and paranoia from weed, which is why I rarely smoke it, and when I do I only take a couple of hits.

I rarely have an issue with psychedlics, and when I do, I handle it better than the issues I have with weed.

So yeah, I don't really care for weed, but have no problem with shrooms, lsd or mescaline.

 

Interesting stuff trickno, youre helping me build my case haha.

Poly, I once heard someone tell me that they felt like DMT is heaven and Salvia is hell. I'm not really interested in smoking salvia though. Apparently that natives claim that Salvia is a spirit and she doesnt want to be smoked - she wants to be chewed, and that is when she will teach. Smoking her makes her vengeful. I'm not saying I believe in it, I'm sayin'...

 

Smoking Salvia on MDMA was one of the most blissful, deepest journeys I've ever had and I've come out of a couple trips on salvia alone where I felt pretty enlightened with a sense of well being. Conversely DMT can be pretty terrifying. I would say that usually that comparison may be appropriate but there are no definites with psychedelics, they can vary tremendously from trip to trip. Id like to try salvia quid but smoked Salvia Divinorum can be a pretty amazing experience.

I don't reccommend Salvia as a first trip or trip for novice psychedelic users though.