Is this really America?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rjhangover, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Clinton balanced the budget and left office with a $300 billion surplus in 2001. Bush turned that surplus into a $300 billion deficit in only six months. Bush and the Republicans also added $4 trillion to the national debt by giving tax cuts to billionaires. $2 trillion was added to the national debt with the stupid Iraq/Afghan wars. Only now are the Republicans crying about out of control spending, and they want to cut $6 trillion in spending on the backs of the elderly, the poor, and children. They want to destroy Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and education, while giving more tax cuts to billionaires. Is this really what America has become?
     
  2. LeviathanXII

    LeviathanXII Member

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    Yes. Its the consequences of the American mindset.
     
  3. lovelyxmalia

    lovelyxmalia Banana Hammock Lifetime Supporter

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    All of these politicians are making themselves look like whining assholes over this budget cut in my opinion. The Republican Party especially.
     
  4. boguskyle

    boguskyle kyleboguesque

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    ya politics is psychotic.

    everyone always talks about the debt. debt this, the debt that. but the concept in most peoples' heads in this country of debt is too over-simplified, especially from republicans. both parties have major flaws in their policies though.

    whenever money is spent, a debt is made in its place. and although libertarians have a closer understanding to debt, i dont think the repurcussions of their economic policies are good at all.

    political parties can't be radical enough to bring a proper solution.

    the Federal Reserve Bank is pure evil.
    1. the persuasion for it to be there is to "control money supply", which politicians tried making that sound good, but think again.
    2. its a separate entity supposedly, meaning less ability to regulate (meaning less "democracy"), and that interest will exist.
    2. the concept of "making" money is fucked up. the treasury asks the bank to make more money for a loan in exchange. like most of you know, when you get a loan from a bank or lender, they demand interest. now how can the treasury (in turn the rest of society, through tax), pay back that loan PLUS the interest they demand?
    also keeping in mind that a dollar is only worth the ever-shrinking fraction of the entire circulation, which means you are a slave to the system completely

    both democrat and republican policies follow policies that only fuel that fire.


    money is a religion
     
  5. stinkfoot

    stinkfoot truth

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    Stop filtering what's going on through the premise that the government is there to serve the people then things will begin to make more sense.
     
  6. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Right. That's what it has come down to. And yet the american people sway with the political winds (the BS)and continue to elect those with their own and their benefactors interests first and foremost. I've been a working man my whole life and I find it astounding that so many just like me vote against our own interests. We allow them to extract our hard earned money and funnel it right to the top and that's the game now. Education in critical thinking is sorely needed. I mean,what's the point of calling this a democracy any more when 5% own most everything and that is still not enough for them?
     
  7. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    Money is debt and money (bankers) run the world, not politicians. Bankers make all the misery in this world of international bankers dictatorship.
     
  8. OptimisticFutureBlues

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    What WAS the American government is NOW the American Machine. Or plutonomy if you will. Run by a select group of individuals, who have too much power for their numbers. Were talking less than 1 million people CONTROLLING the remaining 312,000,000. That is absolutely staggering. Both Republicans and Democrats have rhetoric that will inevitably ruin the country from where it presently stands, mainly because this country cant seem to decide what it wants, and we only give the president 4 years minimum to fix the problems that PREVIOUS generations created. The problems are stacking up and we cant even seem to progress anymore. Not only that the people who run the place are almost always are old as shit, have no hair on their head, and a dying mind that's decayed from countless years of concentrating on an overly complicated system.

    The capitalist system has run its course. Like a natural system except its full of polluted people, its not such a bad thing. The anarchist, communist, socialist and fascist systems all revealed their flaws as well. They will never realize the pattern because they are so intent on keeping things 'normal'. There is and never has been such a thing as 'normal', its a system based on a concept. A small bubble in a very long time line of world events. The corporations are too big and the government is too powerful. We have become a dynasty of hatred, fast cars, over indulgence, pride and dragging the poor through some kind of charade.

    Look at the way the roman empire fell. I guarantee it will mirror this countries downfall, and if not it will be damn close. Basically the idea of America was to provide the true idea of freedom, as freedom = the American dream. No questions, exceptions, or compromises. America isn't America anymore to answer your question. We should come up with a new name.
     
  9. stonk

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    maybe
     
  10. Nostromo

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    Yes. That is what it has become.

    And you just wait until the repubs get "back in the seat".

    All of a sudden you won't be hearing so much "reduce spending" talk. But you will hear "cut taxes". They way they do it, again the deficit will bloom even more. It's the only way, in the long term, for a crisis to form about SSN and medicare, etc. Then they can get rid of those things; and the "average American" will not be able to afford to ever retire. Yet many if those same "average Americans" will fully back administrations that reduce their standard of living. Right now this country is going headstrong on a "reduce everyone's wages and living standards to the lowest possible common denominator" and way too many "average Americans" seem to be all for it.

    jmo
     
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