Catholic/Christian trippers

how come you never see any catholic or christian trippers? any of you christians trip? i am catholic and have never done psychedelics but i am deeply interested them.. i feel god gave us these substances to learn more about our selves and our subconscious. most of you probably look at christians and ignorant, backwards, and closed minded, but are their any other who feel the same way as me?

 

You may question your christianity when you do them, so obviously the church doesn't like them. For that reason they're supposed to be 'harmful'. But it does go both ways - me, I became more interested in religion after experience with psychedelics. Everyone has the potential to be close-minded, christian or not.

 

i went to a catholic school now for 6 years so before you get all pissed with me, just know that i am educated about the catholic religion. with that being said, i do find that most catholics, maybe not you, are closed minded and don't even want to think about "drugs" because they have it brainwashed into their minds that "drugs" are bad from such a young age. so most catholics don't even think twice before saying that they will never use psychedelics. also, for those who do end up using psychedelics, they do begin to question what is going on around them and realize the corruption that exists in the church (i.e. a local catholic school in my area had to close down because they didn't have the money to keep it running due to the fact that the church used all that money in that lawsuit defending the priests regarding little children). and as they realize what's going on, most tend to turn away from the church.

happy trips and good luck on your adventures!

 

Psychedelics will shatter your religion to pieces. But at the same time, they will open you up to true spirituality.

 

No one can really stop anybody from trying anything, however, there can be consequences to pay. First, how healthy are you? If you have certain health issues, it could kill you :bigcry:

We were instructed that all things created are good for meat; but also never forget that we were instructed to use all things in moderation.

If you do decide to try something like this, please don't forget the old school rules and have a very trusted freind with you, as it is very unpredictable how any one individual may react.

Also never forget what the chronic hard users look and act like :devil:
Alcoholics (legal) included.

Odd isn't it ? that this doesn't happen so much to potheads :sunny:

 

I personally myself am Lutheran, I've smoked weed a fair amount of times, drank to many times to count. Been around a lot of drugs and people I wish I was never around. But, I personally have found all these experiences have helped me grow in my faith. I have also been very interested in trying psychedelics. I love philosophy, constantly reading up on new ideas and philosophies. Also, I'm constantly questioning and struggling with my faith. But I still find I have a very strong faith in God. I would think psychedelics may just cause me to question my faith more. But is this not a good thing? If you do question your faith, your helping yourself to expand your own mind and ideas of thinking. And in the end hopefully it is going to make your faith stronger. Least that's how I think it would be. Just remember the devil is always tempting us.

 

I have to go with the group, you might toss your catholic faith aside after you done acid. I think it happens mostly because you have a "in your face" feel that this world is a lot more than what's usually considered reality to a christian point of view.

On it, I got to see auras and chakras, mine or other people's, manipulate subtle etheric energies and many other things hard to explain rationally. All this was so real, I wondered how a whole religion could deny the existence of such things. As a consequence, by the age of 15 I turned to buddhism cause it seemed to "fit" more my view of the world at this moment than good old catholic faith.

 

what about psychedelics will make me question? i think that is a good thing anyways, questioning is always good, and allows your faith to be stronger ultimately.

i went to catholic school for my first two years of high school, and definitely know what you mean. I got ridiculed by my brainwashed peers regularly for smoking weed. ignorance runs rampant... but that certainly does not mean we are all ignorant. And i do agree that churches are corrupt, i mean people fuck up everything.. but that doesn't mean the ideologies themselves are incorrect. And thank you, if i end up tripping i'm sure i will have a helluva time.

Why? What about tripping destroys religionn? Meh, i hardly consider it religion anyways. Religion is manmade, always has been. But i do believe Jesus Christ is my savior. What about psychedelics will change this belief?

I am extremely healthy, actually. I am still young though. For this reason, if i ever try psychedelics of any kind, i am going to wait till i am at least an adult. I'd prefer not to dishonor my parents, as I deeply respect them. But yeah i have done extensive research.

I agree with this all, and I am with you on the questioning... But like i said, question will improve faith IMO. If Jesus truly is savior, it will take more than a chemical to make that untrue.

What about LSD or any psychedelic turn me away from believing in Jesus Christ? I don't understand.... What about them are different than the Christian world view? I myself already hold beliefs different from the "normal" Christian world view... But i believe their is no one christian world view... And what about Christianity says you cannot believe in those things, anyways?

 

Presbyterian here. I don't get caught up in the dogmatic details or even core beliefs like did Jesus really rise from the dead, as in dead body or is it more metaphorical. It doesn't matter to me or get in the way of my Buddhist beliefs or psychedelic opening. The good my church does far outweighs any negatives.

I know people who have experienced Jesus through faith, works, psychedelics, and practice.

I think too many people equate Christianity with the intolerant, Bible-thumping, woman-oppressing, homophobic, judgmental, and in the end, unmerciful fundamentalists (if they just weren't so fucking mean!). There is a huge range of Christians, the same as Hindus, Muslims, and so on.

If you have your act together it might be worthwhile to spend some time in a cathedral while you're tripping (as long you don't have to interact with clergy, etc., lol). Personally I'd rather be in one of those little plain white Congregationalist churches. Have a look at the Good Friday experiment here: http://csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/young-good_friday.html

 

psychedelics have a way of exposing fairy tales.

No offense meant to anyone's spiritual beliefs, but the concept of the devil just seems silly to me.

You believe it because its what you've always been taught. Psychedelics will rip the veil off everything you've ever been taught. You won't just question religion, you will question everything.

Christianity is a very earth-centric and people-centric religion. Psychedelics will show you that existence is so much bigger than this earth. We are a dot floating in space. There are unlimited possibilities out there. You'll see.

I'm not saying that psychedelics will make you stop believing in Jesus. On the contrary, they might strengthen your faith in his core teachings. But you will probably adjust your beliefs around what you discover while tripping. Your belief system will not come through unchanged.

The psychedelic experience is a journey. The first trip might not be profound or make you question anything. The first trip might just be a really fun way to pass a few hours of your day. However, if you keep tripping it will definitely turn into a spiritual journey at some point, provided a spiritual journey is what you wish to take.

thats very mature of you.

Be prepared to come to the realization that this is untrue.

If you're tripping one night and staring at the stars and all of a sudden you see everything, not with your eyes but with something deeper, all of a sudden this fake polyester fabric that lies over all of reality is ripped and you can finally see through it to what is true...you might find out that the truth is different than what you've always thought.

It could also drive you closer to your beliefs. You might come down from the trip realizing what it truly means to be an incarnation of God itself. You might understand Jesus on a deeper level than you've ever thought possible.

Or you might come to the realization that he was an awesome man who was way ahead of his time, but not the son of God.

I stopped believing in God on a shroom trip. I wasn't a Christian but I believed that there must be some kind of higher power or great force out there. This trip tore that belief apart.

Who knows. Be prepared for what you find. Good luck to you.

 

I have a friend that is Christian and trips. He's not very big into details or the Bible though.

 

I was a christian, always thought of myself as one sort of, not hardcore, just casual christian. I am really fascinated by buddhism though, but religions kind of seem like a waste of time. God wants you to live life, not worry about him lol. When I did LSD a bunch, all of my ideas on this didn't really change whatsoever, though definately got some good spiritual experiences, which doesn't have to do with religion to me but still.

 

It's not that LSD and such turn you away from your faith. It's just that the whole experience can change your vision of the world so much you might deeply question your values, priorities and perceptions, which can lead to a switch in your faith. It might not happen, but consider it possibility can. I've seen quite a few other people changing drastically their beliefs and lifestyles after having hallucinogens.

Reincarnation, direct contact with the divine and psychic abilities are all denied and/or demonized by Christian faith. After experiencing the 3 of them during my first acid trips, I knew they were real and not evil at all. I naturally felt "out of synch" with christian faith and started looking for another faith closer to my beliefs.

 

I faded away from religion over the years. College and road trippin with the Dead definitely changed me big time!

We used to trip at youth group at church. I got some of my best acid from the pastors kid. He's still one of my best buds. And the girls were cool, hot and partied. We'd all be smoking a j on hayrides. This was in the late 70's. Lutherans lol, their not as straight laced as they look.

Spirituality is still awesome. Tripping helped teach me about living spiritual principles not religious dogma.

 

I frequently attend peyote ceremonies where people will be eating hanfuls of medicine and praying to God. Sometimes you will hear them sing about Jesus too.

 

Has anyone here had The Vision of The Sacred Bleeding Heart of Jesus? That's a good one.

It looks to me like people here are saying it's pretty much all good. Psychedelics change everything.

Happy Trails!

 

I once saw something similar to that, though it was a bit different. I had the vision of a robot-human (looking a bit like Astro Boy) with a shining pink heart in his chest and at every pulsation white sparkles would fly around his heart, a bit like electrons around an atomic nucleus, then his love would go all over the world.

 

I have found that many Christians I know are very close minded to drugs, including my parents. I was raised as a Protestant (Church of England) and was made to go to Church almost every week end. I resented being forced to go even before I started using psychedelics. Once I left home my spiritual journey started properly, but the core Christian beliefs have stayed with me (treat others how you would like to be treated etc etc). It is FAR from over, I think I have only made small inroads so far, but tripping has helped to a degree. I have a lot of time for open minded Christians, but very little for bone headed, dogmatic Christians - particularly ones like this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7735501683185935638# you won't have to watch much to see what I mean, those sorts of people are what is wrong with humanity.

What tripping does, is strip back a layer of consciousness (a 'filter'), while you are still conscious. You may be exposed to your inner most thoughts or feelings or you may think long and hard about your spiritual being. Everything has more detail and meaning, and the true beauty of the world will show its self to you (oh how beautiful the world is! nature never ceases to amaze me).

I am sure I have felt the presence of 'God' while high - interestingly, never 'the devil' - even though I have seen acts of evil (violence) while tripping (I may have to write a report on that, even though it was about 6 years ago)...

My belief in 'heaven and hell' no longer exists in a biblical sense - heaven and hell is all around us, and present themselves through the paths you choose. I hold Christian beliefs, but don't define myself as Christian, I also hold Hindu beliefs (Karma for one), and am going to learn to meditate. I believe all religions have something to teach us, but extremism and dogma have no place in my life.

I went on a bit, but I hope that gives you an idea of how it has changed my beliefs... Treat psychedelics with respect, as I'm sure you will judging from your post, and they will respect you back, have fun :sunny:

LSD won't kill you... It may scramble your head for a while if you're unlucky, but it won't kill you...

 

what about belief in the divinity in Christ? how has your thoughts changed on that?

 

Scrambling your head is FAR more to worry about than dying.