Hi ! I only have MJ experiences for now, and I'm looking for something good and "easy" to get a good psychedelic experience. I was thinking into buying HBW seeds ( take 3 or 4 seeds, peel it, grind it, and then put a tbag in cold water for few hours) as I don't want to look for acids that might be hard to find and ineffective or to search shrooms into the woods Do you guys have any advices ? What was your first psychedelic experience ?
Too bad for you, my first experiences were done with acid and shrooms. HBWR seeds can be a nice starter, but if you mean "easy" as in "light", I have to say they're far from it, that stuff is pretty powerful. A first dose of 5 seeds is a good way to try it and see what it's like, you'll have an idea of the strenght and then adjust the dosage on your next trip. In the beginning of my experimentations with entheogens, I had a lot of mescaline containing cacti (San Pedro, peruvian torch, peyote). It was a bit like MDMA emotion-wise and very psychedelic, but always with a warm, loving, organic touch. I think those would be good for a beginner since they're easier to handle than many chemicals. Otherwise, fly agaric (amanitas muscaria) is good too, pretty mellow but still it has a lot of potential.
yeah but it's not legal in France, so I'd have to find them in the fields, which is better in november :s and acid is hard to get EDIT : actually, acids are impossible for me to find. I don't think there are something more than shrooms in my region but they are quite dangerous and I'm afraid I could pick up toxic ones (I'll make some more research anyway). I'm more looking of something I could get online like salvia (I tried but it didn't work, only threshold experience, I'm gonna order from a cheaper website and get a more powerful lighter)
Hmmm... Some substances can be hard to get hold of, but if you want the experience badly enough, you can find them, just keep asking around... You will find that most of these types of drugs are now illegal, so it is up to you how far you want to 'bend the rules'... Salvia MIGHT put you off psychedelics altogether, if done correctly, it is very powerful indeed, and can really put you off guard. Because it only lasts a few minutes, it can be hard (or impossible) to make sense of the experience. My first entheogens were mushrooms (unless you count ecstacy) - this is a good way to goo I feel - it may be worth buying a grow kit and growing some yourself. If you can find LSD, it is most definitely worth the experience, although not to be taken lightly - it can last a VERY long time, in contrast to salvia... Alternatively you could find some 2CB, which is generally a very fun time, intense, yet very manageable... What ever you go for, go into it with an open mind, don't fight it and enjoy the experience :sunny:
I think I'll go shroom hunting this summer. In France the only places I could find LSD are festivals/rave party, which is not the kind I'm interested in (even though i could buy it and keep it until I come home..), plus I could get PCP instead of real LSD, or just buy expensive papper (I kind of look like a nice little kid, so guys would certainly try to fool me). Maybe I'll grow salvia in order to chew the leafs (as adviced by mckenna), but my region is denigrated by the sun which make it difficult I was really thinking about HBW or San Pedro too (I could buy it online). Bassline514 : I can't answer you on my personnal profil because I'm a new member (need more post I heard) so I answered you on your hotmail box. Also : do you think a trip-sitter is indispensable ? When I picture my entheogenic experience I'm more like : thank the plant, consume it, sit with some music (certainly drone/ambiant music) and spend the whole trip on my bed, lying during the come up and the plateau, probably with meaningful psychedelic music, and coming down with some drawing and writing. But picturing somebody sober watching me kind of bother me, and as I am not planing on going out or doing anything dangerous, I wondered whether I really need someone with me ?
Please be careful picking shrooms if you are inexperienced. There are many species of shrooms that grow in similar conditions and look alike to the untrained eye but some are poisonous. Amanitas are especially hard to tell apart if you don't know what you're doing. BUT if you know you are able to gather psilocybin mushrooms safely, that would be my #1 choice. Out of your other options there, I'd go with the San Pedro. Buy some cuttings online and do a mescaline extraction. From everything I've read, I believe that would be the most worthwhile "easy" or first trip. I don't recommend Salvia for beginners, even chewed, and HBW seems more trouble than its worth if not done correctly. But it's really up to you. Same with the trip sitter.
It's best in my opinion, to do it with trusted friends, in a safe environment, of course there should be music if you like, but I find it very hard to sit still most of the time when tripping, maybe for a little while, but the whole thing lying down might get a bit boring, you don't know how you will be effected, particularly considering the wide range of substances you have mentioned... I like to explore my environment, play with new feelings, go for walks, talk about things (you may come up with some WEIRD concepts) - in other words, stimulate your imagination. Do what feels right at the time, you don't need to predetermine everything, go with the flow, every trip is different! Maybe, for a first time experience, going to a rave and taking some ecstacy might be a good idea, it will give you a good idea if you want to do something 'deeper'. When I was about 17, NOTHING was better than that. I have moved on a bit from then (8 years ago), but still enjoy it from time to time. You can get some visuals, and the blissful feelings are immense. I have heard very mixed reports about PCP, (some good, some VERY bad, Hunter S Thompson said it was the only drug he would never touch again) and personally I wouldn't take it as a first time experience, I am not sure if I would EVER like to try it. Ketamine may be a good alternative, but its not a 'true' psychedelic, and may not yield the effects you are after. LSD is an incredible drug, but it lasts a VERY long time - you will need at least 24 hours - the trip lasts 12 hours, then it would be a good idea to have 12 hours to sleep and think about the experience, it can be extremely intense. Again, a trip sitter or good friend would be beneficial - although every time I have done it, everyone has been high with no problems. Everyone is different though. Mushrooms - be careful, if you pick the wrong type, you could end up dead. No joke. Let us know which you decide on!
Mushrooms was my first psychedelic experience. From what you have said, I think San Pedro may be the best route to go but I would make a San Pedro brew of about 18-24 inches (be prepared for a horrible taste) compared to spending twice as much as the cacti (if not more) on supplies to do an extraction. Other than that hitting up a rave/festival and getting some Acid or Ecstasy would be good. If you got ecstasy I'd just take it at the rave, if you got acid It's up to you but I prefer solo or intimate trips with acid.
I realized I had my old email on my profile, so I didn't get it. My infos are now updated and you can re-send if you'd like. As for your question about the trip sitter, I'd say it depends. It's better to have someone nearby for the first time as you don't know how you'll react, but once again I doubt it's absolutely necessary. It depends of the person watching over you, some are better sitters than others, and if they have a low dose of the same substance than you it's even better. Your plan of staying at home relaxing with music sounds great, that's usually what I do and had great experiences so far.
About the shrooms, I have read about it on the internet (on lucid-state.org) and I'm really careful so I'll be really careful about it, don't worry. I read that some peoples sold PCP as LSD, that's what I was talking about, I'm not interested into PCP at all, I read some bad things about it. I read about making a tea with san pedro (those I saw on internet were pretty small, but I guess I'd like to start with something small, as I'm afraid I could go too far (I had a strange "ego-trip" like experience on hasch when I started smoking, so I want to take it easy, I think I can try san pedro or psylocybes with low doses). I heard xtc were quite dangerous, especially for peoples you have asthma (I do), and I'm not that much into festivals/rave party (I'd do it stoned or drunk, or even maybe with coke just once, but I wouldn't try to trip with a lot of peoples around me) If I had a trip sitter, that would be my best friend who's not dumb and know me, he would just be around to watch from time to time, not to talk with me. I'd have enjoyed to take a trip with a girl I'd love but I don't have someone like that. Do you think I could really get bored alone ? I can spend 10 hours listenning to music, drawing, reading and doing nothing when I have enough weed, so I thought I could do it on a psychedelic trip. I think I can easily get fly agaric were I live, but I read it was not adviced to peoples who had not tried psylocybes. Have you ever done it ?
Informe toi sur le 4-ACO-DMT mais je connais pas son statut légal en france. Personellement ca sera ma premiere experience psychedélique.
I did and have to say it's an interesting substance, but it's highly toxic so it's kinda rough on the body and you might feel weird for a few days. I already posted about it in another topic, here it is: I have a few trip reports to post on my blog about it, you might be interested to check it out. I'll tell you when this will be done.
Fly agaric isn't Psylocybin. It's Ibotenic acid and Muscimol from my research (never done them, done psylocybin shrooms a bunch of times though, with mixed success)... You will enjoy the rave environment 100x more on ecstacy than any other drug, trust me. Just make sure it is music you enjoy while you are sober as well.
Pcp would not fit on an LSD blotter at any dose that would produce significant effects, so it's very unlikely that PCP will be sold as LSD. There can be some other chemicals passed off as LSD but more than likely the worst that will happen is you just get really weak hits. San Pedro is often a very smooth and warm trip. It's been an 'easier' trip for me than mushrooms or LSD, you can get sick off it but HBWR would probably be more intense and cause just as much if not more nausea. Raving on xtc is amazing, I don't know of any reason why xtc would be worse for someone with asthma then coke or even weed for that matter except maybe for the fact you just kept dancing and forgot to take your inhaler. Also the xtc 'trip' is quite different from hallucinogens, it's commonly referred to as an empathogen for it's ability to allow individuals to feel empathy, express emotion and have the emotional guard come down that we normally have during sober consciousness. It's a drug that's 'meant' to be taken with others. The purity can be pretty crappy in some areas though. I have never tried fly agaric but from my understanding it's not really a true psychedelic. It's more of a sedative at low doses and causes more delirant effects at high doses which many don't find all that pleasant. I have read some people have powerful experiences with it though.
