I had a six hour window tonight and decided to drop 11mg. I had taken 2ci recently (about five days so), so I was expecting a light trip. I got more than I expected at peak, but almost exactly as expected in duration. Onset was very fast; 10 minutes after ingestion dissolved in perhaps 10 ounces of water. It remained a tease until about 30 minutes. I went out on the porch, watched the dogs play and was astonished by the sound of the birds. It is the winter/spring transition here, do it was very nice to hear. For the next hour, confusion and intensity increased, but only if sitting, when standing and walking, it was less so. No real loss of ego at this dose obviously. Plateau clear reached by the two hour mark and then dropped off sharply with a gradual come down. I see real potential with this substance, and will consider 15mg next time given the same window as all effects were gone at five hours. Still, the peak clearly has intensity and I know that I do not want any surprises (unexpected visitors) during that portion of the trip. All and all, I much prefer LSD and phens to trypts. For shorter journeys or deep experiences trypts will do, but the entire experience with phens is better in my experience. I prefer 2ci, 2ce and even others in the family to shrooms and other trypts although the come up on trypts is incredible. LSD remains my favorite time and setting available. Mescaline is right up there too (only psych to give me nausea). Maybe the next step up will change my view. Definitely great for an evening or day off of work.
Good short summary there.... 11mgs was enough to be an experience... interesting. I've not done that little, but not a bad idea to titrate a new experience. Until I have more trypt experiences, I have to say 4 aco dmt is considerably more enjoyable that my phen experiences, but I have a few trypts and phens kicking around that I haven't dipped into yet. It's a voyage, not a destination.
I think you should definitely increase your dose to see what trypts are about, even 15mg is extremely low for 4-aco-dmt, it doesn't get interesting for most people until 35mg +
In my younger years I ate an eighth while sitting at a bar. I expected it to take awhile like LSD. In about fifteen minutes I felt it coming on fast and excused myself from my friends and drive home. I only had part of one drink. The experience was quite intense and this is coming from somebody that has taken three hits of good gel LSD alone to really journey. I can say the shroom journey was cloudy and confused and not very enlightening. It lasted about six hours if I remember correctly; definitely shorter than acid. I can also day I was exhausted when it ended, much different than the acid come down. I really wasn't eager to repeat it again. I had the other half of the of the quarter that the eighth came from and tried half the amount twice more a couple of weeks later. I was underwhelmed, but I suppose it could have degraded some, but it didn't matter to me. I smoked pot to enhance it, but that just confused it more. 4-ACO-DMT is clearly more pure and blissful, although still somewhat confusing at peak, but worthy of exploration. Shrooms I will probably pass on given the opportunity should I be offered it again, even after twenty years since the last experience. A friend have me this little packet to try and told new to be careful with dosage so I researched it well and measured it accurately ... starting low. I think there is enough to try 15 and then 20mg, but I cannot be sure. He would probably give me more if I wanted, but I am fine with these tests I think and then I will probably let it be.
my second 4-AcO-DMT experience was the same day you took it. It was around 20mg and not too intense or even confusing at all. I had great visuals at the peak and a very happy feeling throughout. I suggest at least 20 for your next trip. 25 would be ideal. There won't be much of a difference between 11 and 15.
11mg you wouldn't have a clue what this substance does how can you say you prefer LSD? 11mg is like taking a 20mic trip, you don't have a clue the potential of the substance.
How often do you take psyches? As often as once per week will easily up your tolerance to all psyches in my experience (although I am new to 4-ACO-DMT or any RC). Give yourself a month our two and I bet your topical amount becomes much more intense. Everybody is different though.
Because if how similar it is to shrooms (but cleaner) which I have had experience with. I will always step up carefully and not recklessly. Bad trips are absolutely no fun and often mentally unhealthy.
I should say that my first and strongest shroom experience was 3.5 to 4.0g. No small amount and they were fresh. Unlike pot, LSD and shrooms were just as strong (or in the case of LSD, usually stronger) twenty years ago.
ask any of the regulars, i'm one of the most cautious members there is. i still dosed 25 mg 4acodmt as my first dose. i guess that wasn't the most cautious thing to do, and i'm not trying to brag or anything. i found 25 mg to be somewhat weak. at the time i was tripping somewhat frequently however, but NOT once a week. i may have tripped two weeks prior, and maybe 2 or 3 weeks prior to that on other substances. i don't think tolerance played a major role, but maybe if i took like a year or longer off, 25 mg would affect me more. i'd take ~33 mg or so if i tried it again
they were fresh as in wet? fresh shrooms are about 80% water. not to nit pick... an eighth of shrooms can be quite intense depending on potency. i gave an eighth of some of the best shrooms i've eaten to a friend for his first time...it was too much.
It was dry, but freshly grown locally. Everybody who got some was impressed and some of them were regulars. I preferred and continued to prefer LSD after that.
I should point out that it want too much (I could take large doses of acid in those days), but I didn't like all the confusion and "cloudiness" for lack of a better word. Everything was quite beautiful, but it was difficult to make out anything and up couldn't hold my train of thought for long at all. I just didn't like it as well. I can day that the 4-ACO-DMT had a clear bliss at peak (even at the low dose) that I didn't get with shrooms on any of the occasions I used then (total of three), but that could have been setting our more likely surprise and expectations.
4-aco-dmt is much more of a clean, clear-headed high without so much chaos and confusion. It's like a streamlined mushroom trip.
well, 25 mg of the fumarate is not a very strong dose, at least not IME. so i started at a cautious level, because i barely tripped. if i had started at 12 mg then 15 mg, then 18 mg, then 20 mg...i would NEVER trip from it. so although i wasn't as cautious with it as i was with 2ce (i pretty much dosed as described), i was still cautious. i read all about the chemical, determined that 25 mg was a good starting dose, maybe a bit high, but maybe not enough. i just meant that i'm known for taking low doses, but 25 mg wasn't enough for me. i've certainly read about people tripping from 13 mg, so it's possible.
IMO, most people (Less experienced people), only need a threshold dose of this stuff to be completely satisfied. I had some buddies in town a while back and I only had two doses left (22 mg). Because there were five of us that wanted to dose, I put the two doses both in a glass of measured water, and divided it by fifths. Off a mere 9 mgs a piece, everyone had a great time and definitely had mild visuals, and a nice trip. In my experience, you trip as hard as you want to trip on small doses. It's just the question of how crazy would I like myself to be at the moment. Higher doses obviously have a different story... but I truly believe threshold doses are all that's need for an entirely experiential episode. post script.... please pm me about this substance guys... I'm in need of it
