time, art, and the universe

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by knowthetruth, May 1, 2011.

  1. knowthetruth

    knowthetruth Guest

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    Has it ever occurred to you that music cannot exist without time? The most obvious example of this is how beats fall on equal divisions of time. But also musical tones cannot exist witout time. For rexample the note A is 110hz or 110 vibrations per second.

    Maybe this is the reason why time exists is so that we can make music. And furtermore light exists so that paintings, movies, etc. Can be made. Space and matter allows for sculptures and so on. It all sounds pretty obvious but right now its an amazing thought to me.

    Is the universe just really a blank canvas for us to create art? Its craz that when an artist sits down to create something there are literally infinite possibilities of what can come out.
     
  2. puggybear

    puggybear stars may twinkle-but I shine!

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    Ah-but just MAYBE you have it backwards.

    Maybe I second is equivalent to 110hz.

    Thus,the movements of the galaxies become merely a dance metred by musical infinity,rather than time.

    yeah-kinda nice idea,that.

    We're all just notes in an infinite symphony.....
     
  3. itsallgood

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    thats a great part of reality to realize......thank you
     
  4. Manservant Hecubus

    Manservant Hecubus Master of Funk and Evil

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    A very neat thing to think about, music and time.
    Thank you for sharing!
     
  5. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    A vibrates at 440 cycles per second, not 110. As for your broader point, I have no idea why you'd look at it that way. It might be "trippy, man" if it was all about art, but of course space and time come prior to art. They come prior to the smallest piece of matter, and certainly to any creature that could ever be capable of art.
     
  6. puggybear

    puggybear stars may twinkle-but I shine!

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    That's just miserable,Zorba.

    IF the BBT holds water [I have my issues with that theory] why could the art not be the emptiness of eternity prior to it?

    Art is,after all,subjective.
     
  7. JoachimBoaz

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    Clarification

    Space and mass [things and distance] exist. Events. [phenomena] occur in this arena.
    because the laws of reality require motion. Motion is a Meter.
    That meter is Time as we define it.

    So when the knuckle military leap into battle they can swoop in with helicopters blaring with Wagner's ride if the Valkyries. Time wounds all heals
     
  8. puggybear

    puggybear stars may twinkle-but I shine!

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  9. thedope

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    Time ends
     
  10. willedwill

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    The eternal NOW is in the ultimate FUTURE. And History is a joke of a tragedy. Fcuk it.


    Music is instead just the Art of the written word, the Re-reading of the self-proven art, the existence of the essence of grooving on ...
     
  11. itsallgood

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    i dont know dude, it really bothers me
     
  12. tokinginger

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    Time is not linear. Now to figure out how to step outside the stream and go where you want. There are also multiple layers of universes going on simultaneously. Check out Quantum Physics, now that is a mind fuck!

    I do think that all of this is interconnected.....like an infinity loop.
     
  13. thedope

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    It is a benefit if you are doing something you do not enjoy. A stressful day at work, this too shall pass.
     
  14. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I dig your funky vibes
     
  15. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Because art is a human concept. If you want to redefine art as "whatever existed before time and space, if anything," then sure. But that in itself is in no way identical with what we are talking about when we refer to art. If you want to say its subjective, that's because everything is when being perceived by a subject. There's still no coherent reason here to connect the idea of art with the formless pre-space/time universe (if, again, such a phase did occur). If you have access to some new metaphysic, by all means enlighten me.
     
  16. willedwill

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    Art for art's sake. It exists in the formal consent of reality being where it may BE.

    IN space and time we have the lesson to be artists, constantly improving. But the Art is also judged for itself, ultimately done by angels in Heaven. WE learn to cheat our way only pretending to be the creators. And heaven is how there was that, it's Essence BEYOND space and time.:2thumbsup:
     
  17. JoachimBoaz

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    Cannot agree

    Angels in heaven war. they have no time for art [read your bible]
    "Michael and his angels fought ... The devil, even now, is in an all out push to destroy the church"

    We ARE creators
    There was no Beethoven or Wagner or Shostakovitch .. no Bartok on rendition of Stepen Kings Shining. In Heaven or anywhere but human minds.
    This.. space and time is OUR universe. Yes others may be but this is OURS and here . WE create.

    Let us do so
     
  18. willedwill

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    I read St. Augustine's "Confessions." We were moved; in the last paragraph, he said, to His door or something like that.
     
  19. itsallgood

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    yeah thats true, its really strange
     
  20. willedwill

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    And you're not making fun of my ambiguity. "To His door" he, or I, was not talking. It should have been the moving that mattered: on another inspection. :mickey:
     

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