Warrantless Online Surveillance State (for Canadians)

Well it looks like Canada is dealing with the same sort of garbage we are regarding privacy issues.

Source : http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/13/harpers-promise-a-warrantless-online-surveillance-state/

 

Are they trying to make people quit using the internet?

Thanks again to everyone who voted Conservative. If this bill passes it will affect everyone, not just criminals.

But then again, you knew what you were voting for, right...?

 

Fuck Conservatives, man...

Over 60% of people did NOT vote for them, but they still got elected because we have so many political parties. Fuck that system, man...

 

when in the hell, has any 'bill' (or, as in the case of you all, north of the 48 parallel; 'charter') of rights or warrants, EVER stop any government, from fucking the people's of any nation over?
uke:

 

do bills even pass any more?..seems to me they always dissolve parliament before the assignments get turned in

 

Funny, I thought my northern neighbor was the last free country in this continent.

The queen has more control over you than Harper.

 

Bills pass automatically under a majority government like we now have, of course, that is common knowledge to anyone who has at least half a brain.

FBC... the queen does not have more of a say over us then harper. In fact, the queen has zero say over anything day to day in canada... She has ceremonial type powers only now.

 

That's because we had minority governments for so long.

With a majority, Harper can pass pretty well anything.

 

We were, until a week and a half ago...

 

it was a rhetorical question

 

Bullshit, I used to love this country, now every piece of Canadian news I read seems to be another reason to find somewhere more fitting to my lifestyle, and by that, I mean a place where the rights and privacy of citizens are respected. Since when did what I do online become the governments business? I pay my taxes like a good human drone, so build me decent roads, and help out with my healthcare, after that, leave me the hell alone.

Then again, this also just adds to my growing belief that I should just give up the Internet, we had a good run, no one can say it wasn't fun while it lasted.

 

Yea, if the internet actually got to the point where it was monitored to the extent that this (and others) law proposes, fuck it. It's not worth the hassle.

 

Golly gee I don know...y not ask the Branch Davidians down Waco Texas way or Randy Weaver ...........

...well....ask the survivors...........

 

You could always move down to the United Soviet Socialist States of Amerika.

 

I'll die a cold day in hell before I'll live in the current US of A. I want nothing to do with that tragedy.

 

I thought that this was called HIP Forums.
I thought that you people were all HIP to stuff like this.
I would have thought that you folks would have know all about this kind of shit. You all blow me away!

This has all been going on for ages and ages. First with landline phone ages ago. Then Internet. Then Cell phones. Then whatever comes next. Warrant-less? Illegal? Not if the U.S. spies on Canadians in exchange for the Canadian Government spying on U.S. citizens. Swaps.

Why is a change needed in Canadian Law? Because the U.S. can't afford to fund everything anymore. And Because the U.S. Patriot Act had made it totally legal to spy on everyone without the need for a judge to sign a warrant. LOL

Here's the real story and the history of how long it has all been going go.
Longer than I have been alive. And I'm 60.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/echelon.html

Read this and you'll be Hep to what's real. None if these are cutting edge tech. All old. What's New Tech right now is Classified.

Ever talk with someone using two tin cans and a long string? "Tap that, You bastards."
LOL

 

Hey, I would guess that they took away all of the Canadians to the Camps. No one is here!

Too late.

 

Relax this has been going on since.
Well you know this is the way it is.
One way or another it's the same old story.
Why do you think things are any different today.

You know I've seen this type of argument on so many different issues and it always makes me cringe. Because if we wanted to use this type of argument for this problem we could look as far back as the ancient romans for when they used to cover retired soldiers in pig excrement and dress them up as beggars to be used as spys on the various communities.

This is a form of negationism and in this situation it's in its worst form. Yes problems have always existed and society marches on regardless of them. But we have to be of good moral and ask the question if we should be ignoring these situations and thereby giving consent for them to continue. Or should we as a people turn in to the fight and draw the proverbial line in the sand and say NO!

I won't get into Canadian politics or culture because despite once considering to hide there during Vietnam, I have never even visted the nation. But that's not the issue here. The issue is about the loss of freedom and the sophistication of the tools that are being employed to impose tolitarianism.

The biggest difference between the 1960s and today is that in the 60s we had a touch of freedom. Today, very little of it exists.

As much as I would love to be back in that era, I'll be the first to admit that it wasn't a sunday stroll in the park. We had many problems that we were fighting for. And without a doubt, we lost the majority of those fights. But the key phrase here is we were fighting and more often than not, the fight yeilds its own rewards.

So allow me to give a few personal examples of how fighting the "good fight" rewarded me in life.

1) I'm alive today because I refused to go to Vietnam. I had 2 brothers. One older and one younger. My older brother was killed in Vietnam and younger bother survived Vietnam but died later due to toxins used in Project Shad. He fathered dead born children, one extremly deformed that later died and he himself died from literally excreting his internal organs.

2) I choose to hide out in school inorder to dodge the draft. There I got involved in many protests. On a woman's right protest march, there was a man throwing eggs at the women and yelling that women should get back into the kitchen type comments. Well, I jumped in to deflect the eggs from one beautiful dark haired girl. That act led to almost 40 years of marriage, several children and grandchildren.

3) I became a lawyer and moved back to the bible belt I grew up in. My first act as a lawyer was a divorce case. In those days in my neck of the woods, women had hell trying to get a divorce. Judges were major mysognist assholes.

Well I took on the case because she had no money and no one else would even give her the time of day. The end result was she got her divorce, a huge settlement for her and her 2 daughters. And I exposed one of the most respected baptist ministers as being a violent scumbag that molested his oldest daughter. (3 lives were saved and an evil jerk's terror was ended.)
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I could literally give a hundred examples from my own life experiences where fighting the good fight has enriched me and the lives of others around me. And that's what is missing today.

If you want to be free you have to express your freedom. It has to be taken to the streets with stubborness and assembled before halls of governments. It can not be won with "cyber activism" and it certainly can not be won by waiting for a futre Abbie Hoffman to come along and plan the protest agenda.

Get out there, paint the signs and stick them on your car and house, talk to your friends and family, phone local politicians, torment local newspapers, etc. But the key thing is don't ever let them shut you up or let them make you go away. You still might loose the fight but you'll be richer person for having fought.

If that's what it takes.