So from my understanding, most hallucinogenics (lsd, mushrooms, 2c-*) arent technically "hallucinogenics" because you dont see something that has no basis for reality (ie: some flying pink elephant), but rather you just view altercations of objects that you already see. I ask because if i know it is impossible to see something that isnt actually there this might help me to avoid a bad trip if i tell myself no matter what happens im not going to see thousands of spiders coming at me or my dead grandmother crawling up my leg with a knife
My suggestion would be for you to go do a LOT of reading here; http://www.erowid.org/ and then come back and try your question again (if you still need to).
LOL that's what I thought. I agree some hallucinations may start by looking at something in your environment, but many, many times I experienced things appearing out of the blue (especially on 2c-b, damn that one is strange!).
I took from the OP that he/she/it hasn't done any of it yet... That was why I suggested erowid, because where ever he is getting his info from right now... sucks.
Yes. The 'real' hallucinogens are things in the Deleriant category like Salvia, Antimuscarinics, etc. They will let you see complete systems that don't actually exist. The psychedelics, on the other hand, just present the world through an angle that you normally don't see it. For example, you might focus on the weird coloring of a certain wall that in normal life you just "process out." Aldous Huxley, even though he knew nothing of the pharmacology of the psychedelics put it well: Psychedelics simply remove the "filter" of reality that our minds have built up since we were born in order to keep us from being overly stimulated. It makes sense, since the Serotonin Receptors (which are the targets of psychedelics, but NOT hallucinogen-propers) are responsible for "subjective" evaluations of the senses coming into the brain. They don't "self-generate" things that don't exist. However, ones' imagination can muster up things that almost seem real in trips that aren't real. However, you can still tell yourself (if you are having a "Bad" Trip) that it just plain isn't real!!
Ive had a few experiences with hallucinogenics (salvia, 2ce, 2cp) but ive found when taking them im constantly thinking of my phobias, which will not stop even if im busy talking to my friends, listening to music, or watching tv, its always present. Now even when im sober i find these thoughts persist and i may very well never do lsd or mushrooms if they could cause me to see a full blown hallucination of a phobia. Is it possible the repeated use of these psychedelics could have worsened my phobias?
only 2 drugs or chemicals have made me see things that were not there. Ok, make it 3.1 cause Cocaine and Atavans I trip balls.. Anyhoo.. DMT and chloroform are the only chems Ive seen things just vanish and be replaced by other object. Im taking big things not a speck of dirt. Things like cars, houses, entire walls.. people. shrooms, lsd just make thing melt and morph into other things... Where the other chems leave things intact and replace them with other object. Seen a table turn into a giant ant the size of a dog completely pettable...
Psychedelics, like I said, take away the "Filter" through which you view reality. So, if beneath the filter, you have some things which are blatantly bothering your mental well-being, they would have a good chance of popping up in the psychedelic state. In old-school psychedelic psychotherapy, they would probably advice you to acknowledge your fears under the influence, fully experience any accompanying emotions, accept it, and move on. Perhaps you should look into tripping with a friend who has broken-through tough spots in their life with psychedelics and self-psychotherapy. I have only had perhaps 10 psychedelic experiences, but I found that bringing the scarier issues up front, acknowledging them, and moving on was not only possible, by very helpful in reducing their associated anxiety in everyday life. That is why I am a firm advocate for the reintroduction of psychedelic psychotherapy in legitimate therapy practice or psychiatric practice. To conclude, I will say that I suffer from Schizoaffective Disorder, in which I really do experience hallucinations if not medicated, and honestly, psychedelics taken in the right setting have actually helped my condition. I am not saying that it works for everyone, but it should be considered as a tool by anyone wanting to live a more peaceful life.
Yup. That makes perfect sense, too. DMT acts on the serotonin receptors, but ALSO is a potent sigma-receptor agonist, which is related to things like out-of-body experiences. And Chlorphorm is a GABA positive modulator, which means that it essentially makes your neuronal messages "skip" gaps and become incredibly fucked up, allowing for true hallucinations because of your brain trying to make sense of the mess that the agent has produced. Interestingly, Cocaine is a sigma-agonist, and Ativan is a GABA- positive modulator, so your story fits in perfectly with what everyone has said.
The last thing that'd cause me to go into a bad trip is over a worry of starting to see a bunch spiders lol Its always getting lost in deep thought and totally losing connection with reality and there is always a point where I feel like theres something i need to do or take care of and that something bad is going to happen if i dont do it. But i can usually get myself to realize that theres really nothing at all to worry about. also sometimes lead into a bad trip when i get super deep with thinking about/evaluating my life. I'll only think of negative aspects sometimes and leads me feeling extremely depressed for a little while and hate it
If you ever feel you're about to do a badtrip, there's 2 simple rules to turn things around. 1- Remember you're not sober, it's normal you see crazy stuff because you're stoned. 2- Ask yourself : what do I need now? The answer usually pops out quickly. It could be some fresh air, lay down, silence, etc. Those 2 rules work well for me, I never, ever done a badtrip of all my life.
You may have perhaps somewhat adjusted your response but when I saw this I was going to say like Orison, DMT has made me see things that are not there. DMT, Salvia and DPT are the three hallucinogens I've done where I've seen things that are not there. To the op: just because you don't have 'true hallucinations' doesn't make the experience easier necessarily. Ketamine has also made me truly hallucinate but I find it a much easier trip than a shroom, 2ce or heavy acid trip. When on hallucinogens and objects are morphing beyond recognition or you interpret them in some way that can trigger a personal memory that has the potential to be unsettling and/or difficult, but it also can be really amusing and joyous as well.
I heard this too, and since I never had saw anything that I knew wasn't there while on acid, I believed it. I guess I'm just not taking high enough doses. The true definition on hallucinations INCLUDES "alterations to reality" sooo I guess everything on acid counts as a hallucination. As well as right-wing politics. Tie an string around your finger if you think you won't be able to remember you're on acid.
