Osama Bin Laden is dead and it's funny

George W. Bush just barely won re-election, I believe mostly because of Iraq. He should have been voted out in a landslide, but Kerry was a weak opponent that people found to be boring. There should have been far more Iraq war protests, especially before we went in, but you can't legitimately say that nobody cared.

Nearly everybody I know personally was against going into Iraq, and they all voted against Bush the second time. But once we had gone in and fucked that country up in every possible way, we had to stay a while and try to fix it. You can't just walk away from what you've done and leave people without electricity and clean water, with armed thugs roaming the streets night and day. Getting out of Iraq became almost like unscrambling an egg.

Bush had to know that it wouldn't... Oh, never mind. It's pointless to try to figure out the reasoning of a fool. If you can do it, it might be a sign that you're well on the way to becoming an idiot yourself.

 

Just been thinking... How many people here in the west actually heard what Osama had to say? Anyone? I can't say I've heard a single speech by him, not that I would have been able to since western TV wouldn't show it, and western newspapers wouldn't publish it. There's all this rancor against the man and it's all second hand, fed to us by the authorities who know the right things to say. I'm not saying what Osama said was good - after all, how would I know? I have no idea, because I wasn't allowed to.

 

i asked something similar not so long ago. is there any evidence of osama bin laden actually committing a crime?

spoon fed.

 

I'm not so concerned whether there is evidence or not, but rather that we're incapable of knowing because nothing is disseminated. It's entirely possible for huge misrepresentations by governments about someone on the other side of the world that we cannot know anything about because the government doesn't let us. Not saying Osama was a Gandhi, but if the government wanted a Gandhi to be portrayed as evil, we would buy it without hesitation.

 

In response to the above three posts; that's something I thought about for awhile. We were shown clips of him speaking, I think once or twice a few lines were translated. We have no real idea what he said, the translated lines could have been made up.

And about the footage of middle eastern people celebrating in the streets after 9/11 that footage really could have come from anywhere.

Spoon fed indeed.

He apparently funded the Taliban as well as other things. I don't know if he actually directly caused any damage. Reminds me of the Manson case. Charlie didn't really do anything, they just needed someone to hang the event on. Might as well pick the crazy guy.

I'm still amazed by the extent to which the general public can hate a man they know absolutely nothing about, what he said, what he did, that he did anything, etc. People took so quickly to the story that he's the big bad man in the caves...

 

I remember when Bush first announced the war in Iraq and I thought to myself, "isn't this the wrong place to be looking for Osama?"

I think, as a nation, we genuinely believed him that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we backed him during the very beginning of the war. We knew Sadam's tactics and insanity and wanted to see him brought down.

Why we didn't protest and carry on after we found out that there were no weapons and that Bush went after Sadam due to a personal vendetta with Bush Sr. is beyond me. That is when we should have acted because thousands, if not millions of lives were lost over there - both American and Islam civilians.

 

i thought it was about the gays. nobody supported iraq by that point, that's why they had to create the "we hate queers" distraction so people would actually believe that he might have won legitimately.

 

that's not how i remember it, but then i was in college at the time and surrounded by liberals. but when the iraq war was announced i saw nothing but protest. of course it did absolutely no good, so people probably got sick of it and decided to move on with their lives, hence people not still protesting.

 

here, again, lies the problem.

he is a face of evil - people who believe in this mans ruthless have condoned their own countries sick pursuit for black gold.

 

I was in high school when the war first started and I remembered hearing people talk about supporting the search for these "weapons." I'm sure on college campuses it was much different, but from what I saw locally, there was some initial support, especially from the conservatives, but more importantly, it seemed that people were rather indifferent toward the situation

 

I was a high schooler in a college city and saw both sides =P

There were protests; there was even controversy at one where police used pepper spray on some teenagers; but a lot of people supported the war, because after all, the dude was crazy enough to kill his own people, and may have WMDs!

But both of these groups were in the minority to the indifferent.

 

Al Jazeera put his complete speeches online and on satellite TV. Plenty of middle easterners living in the US and other American Muslims listened to every word that he sent out. Just talk to any Islamic person who isn't a radical fundamentalist and ask him or her what Osama was telling the world, and why it was wrong and evil. Many of them listened to the Arabic versions of those speeches because they didn't need an English translation. You can find one of these people on any large college campus. They will tell you all about it, if you ask.

Governments can't endlessly get by with making up shit out of thin air like they could before the internet. Have you already forgotten what just happened in Egypt? Iranians aren't able to overthrow their government yet, but they have learned through the internet why it needs to happen.

As a nation? What does that mean? Anything over 51% ?? I didn't believe a damn word Bush was saying at that time. A week after 9/11, I had already turned against him. I didn't like anything he had to say, or the way that he said it. His approval rating got up to about 85% right after 9/11, but that was a long time before he started talking about Iraq.

Americans love to disagree. On a typical day, you couldn't get 90% of Americans to agree that the grass is green and the sky is blue. We rarely ever have more than 60% support for anything or anybody. That's why it drives me crazy when people (especially from other countries) say that Americans think this, and Americans think that. They have no clue what they are talking about.

Yeah, I don't get that either. Has any country ever paid more for one guy to try and prove his father wrong about one decision? And the father turned out to be right. What a terrible waste.

 

Total bs. A majority of middle eastern muslims admire him. What exactly did he say that was wrong and evil by islamic standards? All of it can easily be found in the Quran.

 

Then I guess you must believe that the majority of Christians think it's important to kill anyone caught working on the Sabbath. It's in the Bible.

 

I never said people didn't care about Iraq. Iraq was a very convenient distraction, actually.

I was reading a history of Osama Bin Laden's alleged war crimes just last night, and something really stood out to me that I had forgotten about. When 9/11 first happened the US government blamed him within what...24 hours? 72? It took them a really short amount of time to place blame, either way. Osama Bin Laden immediately came back and denied any connections with the 911 attacks. If he really masterminded the whole thing and if he really had every intention of waging war with America, wouldn't he be proud of that? Why would he deny it in the first place?

He even later came out and said although he wasn't behind the attacks, he would take full credit for inspiring the attacks. Never once did he own up to anything and I feel like if he was responsible for 9/11 he would take some pride in it.

I remember watching the start of the Iraq war every day in one of my high school classes...I can't remember what the class was called but it was a study of modern society so our teacher let us do nothing for two weeks but watch the beginning of the war on TV. Kids in my class were cheering as they watched rockets being launched across the sky, and I remember sitting there being feeling absolutely disgusted. I was a senior in high school then and didn't have the best grasp on current events at the time, but I knew enough to know that we ended the search for WMD days before the deadline we gave Iraq.

It still blows my mind that so many back then thought the war was justified when we blatantly defied international law by declaring war before giving the weapons inspectors the agreed upon time to inspect for the very weapons that we used as the cause of war.

Not to mention all those war crimes and crimes against his own people that Saddam committed happened back in the early 90s. It blows my mind that people supported such a retroactive war. Also, so many people justified the invasion with asinine statements like "We're liberating the Iraqis."

Genocide on a mass scale has been occuring in Sudan for years and we haven't launched a full-scale invasion to liberate the Sudanese people yet.

There were so many reasons to not go to war. It really does boggle my mind that so many people supported the war wholeheartedly at the time.

 

The difference is Christians generally follow Jesus and Jesus never killed. Muhammad did, and waging jihad is as much a part of islam as taking communion is part of christianity.

 

SpoonFed would be a great username


some paranoid people would misinterpret the fed part of it but I still think its a good one

 

I admit there’s no evidence to support the claim that he’s responsible for 9/11 but there’s a great deal of circumstantial evidence, and many court cases are won based solely on circumstantial evidence.

Hotwater

 

i don't find it at all funny that Osama bin laden is dead, or think it's a situation to make a 'party' of.

 

so you're saying he would definitely be found guilty if he was black?