Supreme Court Orders the Release of 40,000 California Inmates

Better free and unemployed than emplyed in prison forced labor (if cali does that.... otherwise locked up and unemployed, better IMO, but still behind bars)

The government cares about their figures, they shouldn't have locked people up who they didn't have the means to lock up.

"hey, we can't take care of you, but we want to hold you anyway.... THINK OF THE CHILDREN! guess you should have thought about living like cattle before we violated your rights and made you live like cattle!"

 

personally, if they ever did lock me up, i would rather be working than sitting in a cage....

i could not find a decent, clear discussion or chart of prisoner pay, but i did find the wiki, and got a solicitation for a cc by searching 'prisoner pay':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

if cali is so busted, why don't they have the prisoners build their own jails? that'd be worth watching...think about it. i think i'm going to start giggling thinking about it. i rarely giggle....

 

In Pennsylvania.. An Idle pay inmate receives $17.00 a month(non working) , this Idle pay is usually the same cost as Cable TV, this way the inmate can buy cable every month. If Inmate uses health care on his own and not a Institution Scheduled visit inmate will be charged 2dollars. Inmate should be well aware of their finances.
The CI correction industry provides job for inmates at different levels. All Ci jobs are upper scale job beginning at 2Xidle pay and based on hours worked. By no fault of the inmate should a ci shop be closed inmate may receive the hours of the Day this may vary. Some CI workers can earn up to 100 dollars a month. When I worked in corrections I lead a work crew around 5 to 7 level 2inmates my workers earned $35.00 all the time no change in pay unless I approved it. My foreman gets around 50/60 he reached level of outside clearance also. should he leave jail, get in trouble in jail they are replaced with the next in line. All inmates can apply for these jobs. The best thing you can do is apply for maintenance jobs. These will assist in lowering your level (if) you are not a life inmate. I should tell you many years ago. Pennsylvania allowed life inmate outside the wall. That had reached level of 2m. Mudman escaped and killed someone/see if I can find history. http://articles.philly.com/1995-12-26/news/25668633_1_mudman-release-parole-board-halt-parolen / my bad killed police officer. I was told this event ending outside clearance for lifers working CI jobs. Im not sure. Its been forever since Ive worked there. But I have currently reapplied for something corrections related.

 

I know there is huge amounts of money involved in all levels of the system. Huge amounts of waste as well.. Commissary industry providing snacks for inmate is always up for bid. State jails may have more control over money than county jails. I know Allegheny county jail is fucked with hostile food providers, and their commissary sky hi prices and gouging almost created a riot/ no media coverage on event but their was problems where inmates were getting more and more angry over 1cent pack coffee for 60cent/ a can of coffee would be $60.00. A box of soup $13.00 these are illegal practices ripping off people in jail. Also Hi bond. As bail bondman become buddied into the money scheme.

 

I dunno about you, but if I was building a jail, even if I wasen't a prisoner, that'd be one shoddy building..... oops, I forgot the mortar on.... the whole fucking thing

 

Yes, I'm aware of martial law and the executive orders... but I see it simply as a way to keep people ordered in drastic situations like a nuke bomb or another Great Depression. They are just temporary solutions for such drastic scenarios to keep a large population cohesive; not a part of some conspiracy to control people. One couldn't direct an entire population to painfully submit to some ideology, slavery or some other situation forever. At some point, if the majority of people aren't collectively comfortable, they will gather and revolt, this has happened time and time again throughout history, they are called revolutions. Thats what I figured happened with the prisons.

Thats what happened in Egypt. They put up with a dictator for decades because they still had the minimal amount of sustenance to keep them complacent. What really spurred the revolution and unveiled the hate for Mubarak was a combination of a majority population of young idealists and the rising prices of food. Everyone blamed their problems on the leader. They came together and whined about it and got a dictator out. But what has really changed? They are still hungry, unemployment has risen and they can't get their shit together because they can't find a leader to direct them and who is growing the food?

What does this tell us? No one is 'being controlled' and democracy is not a utopia. It's a collective concept dependent upon the motivation and cohesion of it's partakers and management of adequate resources. It's up to the individual to come together as a society if everyone wants to survive and live comfortably and it's those very partakers who can end it through negligence and apathy that allow psychopaths to direct it through intimidation... The Holocaust victims did not have to die in those numbers. Like the social creatures they were, they had no courageous leaders so like herd animals chose to be complacent and not fight back, calmly waiting to die.

The media may not be 100% accurate but it isn't 'controlled'. The whole reason it exists is not necessarily to report events but as a tool to influence behavior for social cohesion. Thats why it is often seen as 'the fourth wing of democracy'; since democracy is not a utopia, it is simply serving in the minimal best interests of the majority. The average 'middleclass' lifestyle owes it's existence to democracy. Where one's life is directed with taxes, zoning laws, 75% of their income already spent on bills, etc. that does sound pretty 'controlled'. But at the same time the benefits of it all are collectively distributed in the form of various shared networks, institutions and infrastructures(highway, library, internet) and you're generally comfortable and healthy; not poor and sick, have to worry a lot less about crime and don't have to toil as much since work is also evenly distributed.

Unfortunately, the benefits of this system of order leads to overpopulation, and in combination with a capitalist economic system(the best we've known so far), it leads to a natural consolidation of wealth and disintegration of the middleclass. More capitalized property, means angry poor people, means more criminal behavior and the eventual need for more directing of behavior(3 strikes). This is why the prisons were allowed to become overcrowded and the media's role in helping people become aware of this is why the supreme court stopped it. So, you see, there is no conspiracy to control people; just opposite forces at work trying to keep a balance. A healthy society does actually need some form of 'controlled environment' and is dependent upon a delicate balance of many factors.

And ofcourse this is a controlled environment and social engineering has been going on since civilization began because we are social creatures that survive in groups that need leaders and as those tribes get bigger and formed nations and empires it's inevitable that more directing will happen. Directing is not controlling. The laws enforced in a society depend upon the collective belief of it's individuals and punishment for not obeying them. It's simple human morality on a massive social scale, the only thing that would get people to voluntarily partake in a society and civilization in the first place.

The only 'conspiracy' I see in this is that there will always be a small number of psychopathic people who's inner drive will naturally lead them to the top of the pyramid, 'skimming the fat off the top of the milk' so to speak but at the same time, for every one of them there will be the perennialist at the bottom who live in humility devoting their lives to propping up others. And most us will be of the average herd, neurotically bitching about everything, yet loved to be told what to do... All civilizations in the past have gone through cycles of growth, assimilation of other societies, peaking at a golden age and disintegration only to yield to the growth of a renewed society so maybe it's inevitable that the system will collapse. It's not always pretty or ugly and in light of the inevitable effects of cycles and our socially dependent nature, the concept of 'threat to freedom' is irrelevant. Just remember, that nobody is forcing you to do anything and you can stray if you want but you will have to forge your own way in the wilderness and pay the herd-enforced consequences for violating the rights of others.

 

i think there might be a few problems, certainly in 'my' planned cell block, RooRshack. given the level of oversight that most states have for construction jobs, things might be kind of loosey goosey. but, then again, when contractors do state work, sometimes theirs is pretty crappy, too, and we pay out the mm-hmm for it.

the prison system, like every other system touched by government, is messed up. i guess this doesn't tell most people anything...

 

What worries me is that these people might be discriminated against even worse than most parolees because they were " forced out "

 

I was driving on a suspended license in ATL and wound up in jail for a day. During my 24 hour stay I talked to a few girls that had been in jail for the dumbest shit, some of them with children. It was really heart breaking.

Imagine walking down the street and suddenly you are arrested! Just for being in the wrong part of town....FOR A YEAR!

Yes by my observations they may have been crackheads and/or prostitutes but really a year in jail just for being on a pay phone in a bad area?

Seems a bit much!!

Thats why I got my ass out of the states! They don't give 2 shits about your rights.

 

They'd make swell targets if you could get'm to run back and forth about 'a hundred yards away. 30,000 bucks to keep 'em in lock-up for a year as opposed to 25 cents per bullet? Why,that's a real bargain. I need to re-sight my elephant gun anyway.

 

With an over 12% unemployment rate (after fudging the numbers... probably more like 25%) and a bankrupt state budget, perhaps the Pseudopreme Court Injustices are looking to precipitate a civil crisis calling for some level of martial law?

 

I agree with you guys, tha'ts why i just started doing the legal stuff and tried out that Mystic Blends they got advertising on here. It was pretty good, though i haven't tried alot of that stuff. Maybe those prisoners that are on parole need that stuff.

 

My last reply to this post kind of wondered off but Scorpio Kenny sounded like a paranoid doomer in this post about everything being 'controlled' and I basically tried to view everything from a logical sociological perspective; that we are social creatures who will inevitably need leaders and live in a society that has some 'controlled' aspects to it.

But after reading stinkfoot's comment and some more news articles I have to say, there is some merit to this paranoid outlook:

stinkfoot, what you are describing is 'disaster capitalism'. Ever heard of it? Simply put, it's the idea of profiting off of other people's misery and it's the best way to make the biggest fastest profit and the only way that a capitalist economic system can continue to survive in times of scarcity.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/war-terror-catastrophe-profiting-from-disaster-capitalism

"Nobel economist Milton Friedman , who said economic change never occurs without a crisis shocking the system; whether the crisis is natural, induced or merely perceived, as with enflaming public fears of war and terror threats."


The book the article was based on:

The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein

http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Rise-Disaster-Capitalism/dp/0312427999/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306981388&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism (9780312427993): Naomi Klein: Books


In my last post I said something about the jewish people not having to die in those numbers if they had a leader and fought back but I completely forgot to view it from this capitalist perspective that we all buy into! The Holocaust happened during the last depression in the 1930's; the catalyst being a bad stock market. It initially began with little things like curfews, rations, a nationalist uprising getting into the government and then a media fueled discrimination against a created enemy(mainly jews) and more prisoners until they eventually created death camps that generated an entire meager economy for the Germans. Before this, Germany was one of the most advanced nations of it's time.

This mirrors the current motives prison-industrial complex today in their lobbying for the arizona style immigration laws across the whole country and the splinter parties kicking up a storm. More prisoners means more money for various businesses and is like a resuscitation for a bad economy but at the same time, the social health of a society goes down. If more private prisons are built as a result of this, more immigrants discriminated against, more terrorist attacks, angrier third party splinters groups growing against the backdrop of a worsening economy then I could see how this might turn into another Holocaust before we even know it; especially knowing our country's 'original purpose' and how it is more important the 'public good':

http://www.thepaper24-7.com/main.asp?

SectionID=25&SubSectionID=331&ArticleID=30874

"Under the rule of the king of England nine of the original 13 colonies were wholly private corporations operating under 'royal charters'. Thus the colonial scheme of governance in the American was largely corporate and private in nature, and these "united States" are the end result of those well-laid plans, of the King and private investment groups via of course by the American revolution, due to the fact that private corporations are generally profit oriented, and view profits as more important than the 'public good'."