Ending Bad Trips

I recently had a bad trip a couple of months ago and I would like to have whatever on hand in case of a repeat of that incident. I hear that benzo's and anti-psychotics help end a bad trip. I also heard that the anti-psychotics worked much faster, I also saw that there are incidents were these medicines messed them up. So my question is what is the best/safest way to bring a person down from a bad trip physically not mentally?

 

Hiiii, I've found that the best thing to do while tripping is this: Remember that it's just a drug, and you still have control of your mind. Having the mental fortitude to remain dominant over the hallucinogens you take is vital, in my opinion. It has gotten me through many an experience, including picking a girl up at 3 AM from the local PD for a DUI while drunk, tripping acid, and blazed out my mind.

 

I know it is all in the head and understand that fully. The thing is though sometimes you just don't have control of the situation or someone else can't control themselves. That is what I mean by this, just how to bring yourselves or others back down. Also there are RC's that are mislabeled and may be to intense for one to handle and they just need to get out ASAP.

 

xanax working great at ending a trip.

 

At what dose in mg? Also how long does it take to come down from a full blown trip? Does it have any potential reactions with MAOI or other substances that can cause harm? Sorry for all these questions, I'm more of a science man and like to get everything right and understand it.

 

Best way to end a intensely bad trip

1. Trazodone, immediately (~75-100mg)
2. xanax or another benzo that you find sleepy, immediately (.5mg to 2mg, depending on if you want to sleep or not)
3. a Full glass of water, with the meds
4. A multi vitamin and fish oil, before or 10 minutes after your meds (should be taken before your trip starts)
5. Calming music, prepared before hand
6. Warm friendly bedroom/bed that is dark, prepared before hand; clean and made a comfy/calming as possible

This is to abort a bad trip in the most intense way. "ending a bad trip" is a whole other case that is really variable. But you have preobably read and hear how to avoid a bad trip, thats the same stuff you need to do to try to end or get out of a bad trip without killing the drug and experience.

 

That is a good answer. I understand the mental aspect of using psychedelics, but I mean the physical. Like say a friend is having a bad trip and you have no way you can possibly calm them down at all (not very realistic but it is a hypothetical situation that could happen). What would you want to give them to help them? Please stick with pharmaceuticals or anything of the nature it would be greatly appreciated. That Trazodone has possible MAOI interactions witch can turn deadly as most anti-psychotics have this interference.

 

Welcome to the forum. I would be glad to hear your intake on this. I'm hoping that this topic will help clear the water for ending a bad trip were you are completely out of control or others in this state. There is no good guide for this subject yet and hope to make a guide for others to see. I know what you mean on the psychosis thing. After my "bad" trip I was in a hole, paranoid, and was scared all the time. Since then these symptoms have disappeared and I don't want anyone else to have to go through hell and fear for that short amount of time (which feels like hours).

 

Well Xanax is a sedative, and helps relieves anxiety. You may have taken a large dosage. May I ask what was your dose and how long before you passed out or the trip ended? I'm currently going to write a guide on this so any info would be greatly appreciated.

 

Here is all the different chemicals I have found so far. Please tell me if you find one or know of one.

Alprazolat (Xanax)
Desyrel (Trazodone)
Chlorpromazine (Thorazine/Largactil)
Risperidone (Riserdal)
Quetiapine (Seroquel/Ketipior)

Also if you have ever used one to stop a trip could you tell the dose and the time before you stopped tripping.

Thanks I would like to make a sticky that would tell people what they can give to people safely if they are not in control of the situation (even though they are). Knowledge is power.

 

Assuming you are using a real psychedelic that binds to 5-ht receptors and their subtypes, a strong MAOI will not kill you. Merely be bad for you and cause the trip to be longer and stronger (kinda the opposite of what we are looking for heh). But even if it was an MAOI, if it binds to the same receptors it would not make it stronger, but instead decrease the effects. (assuming the binding affinity is stronger than the psychedelic)

As far as I know, trazodone is not an MAOI. I have used it before to abort a bad 2c-e trip (50mg, a strong ass dose.) and it completely killed it! I thought something in my brain went wrong because of its absurd negative* effects. It changed the intensity from 110% (sarcasm) to about 3%! It also has mild sleepy effects by itself. So it is a great way to abort a trip.

Xanax is the sleepiest benzo to me. If there is a benzo that you know of that is more sleepy for you, then use that (if we are serious about ending the trip and falling asleep. If not, use klonopin (clonezepam) which is to me the best at relieving anxiety, which is one of the main causes of bad trips.) I wont go into the other reasons why this is good to end a trip, because I am sure you have read up on how benzo's work. Some not so good substitutes are alcohol, GHB, valerian, and kava.

As far as pharmacueticals, it seems like you have a pretty good list going on there for the actual trip blockage. These are 85% of the help during a bad trip. I can't think of any others than what you mentioned off of the top of my head, but those will definitely work.


These are great for post trip health as well as assisting in bad trips:

Fish oil has been shown to improve brain function, so there is some reasoning behind that. Also, its "good fats" which will help any damage cause by hypertension. Multivitamins has a myriad of good effects, so it just makes sense to take one. Magnesium will help with muscle tension and sleep as well, if there are problems with jaw tension and the like. And Vitamin c, co Q-10, tea, etc. are good for free radicals caused by most drugs for head aches, cancer causing metabolites, and some late trip stomach weirdness.

*Not negative as in positive and negative, negative and in negate iv

P.S. I think you meant alprazolam, not alprazolot; though it seems like it can be a lot at some times
P.S.S. I just read your request for a description of usage of one of them chems. I said I used trazodone, so I will fill you in on that.

I took 100mg 45 minutes into a 50mg 2c-e trip. The trip started about 20 minutes after I took the 2c-e, another 30 minutes later it was getting so intense I started to get scared and tripping out. So I took trazodone to fall asleep before it got too deep, which was prescribed to me for insomnia in Iraq (yes, I took 2c-e in Iraq, I am dumb). Litterally 10 minutes later it canceled out the effects like I said, almost completely. It wasn't a gradual decrease in effects, its was a instant shut off of the effects. It didn't wear off either, it was like I didn't take the drug at all for the rest of the day/month. (as in the trazodone didn't wear off before the 2c-e)

 

The MAOI part would be for concerns with diet and other medicines that may cause serotonin syndrome. According to http://www.drugs.com/trazodone.html it is a MAOI so people may want to be careful if they are on other medicine, high tryptamine diet, and doing recreational drugs.

I'm sorry but I've never done benzos before. What would be a dose to get out of the trip and sleep it off?

So basically if someone uses any of these drugs to abort a trip they should take supplements to help prevent any type of damage, correct?

Also thanks for your post about the bad trip that helped me get a few more things lined up on that pharmaceutical.

 

I read through all of that, along with many other sites and it doesn't say it is a MAOI. It says not to take with an MAOI though, which you might have gotten confused on and thought that it was one itself.

It depends on the benzo for dosage, I gave one for xanax. Benzos don't cancel a trip though, they just dull it and allow sleep.

The other stuff are things I take every time, they are healthy for the reasons I stated. A bad trip usually stresses the body more which makes them even more beneficial. And its not that abort drugs that you should take these over, its the psychedelics and trips that you should take these for.

 

I didn't read between the fine line that always gets ya. But it is still a safety concern if you are taking any MAOI.

So the Xanax just allows you to sleep and helps get rid of anxiety and it doesn't block the trip, I see now.

I see what you mean now. The antipsychotic pills can mess with you pretty bad though, they have some intense side effects if taken on a regular basis.

 

I always pack a piece of 'reality' in my pocket before a trip. A rock. coin, medallion. If I start to lose it I reassure myself I'm on a drug by feeling the 'reality'. SAved my self a few times. Just dont lose the piece of reality. lol

 

That is a really cool idea, I have never heard of that before. May have to try that one day. lol That would suck if you lost that "piece of reality" it would be quite a disappointment and you would of lost your reality.

 

Take care of set, setting, dose, research your substance, know your body and mind, and there is no need for abort. What do you mean by bringing someone down physically and not mentally? Just conking them out? To me it looks like the problem is you are taking substances which remove you from "reality" while trying your hardest to hold on to "reality". This will cause bad trips. You wanna trip or not?

 

The best way to end a bad trip is to face it and go through it, IMHO.

 

I understand the mental aspect of the trip it is the whole thing. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation. By physical I mean by a physical means such as pharmaceuticals or other substances that will knock you out or abort the trip, that is what I mean.

 

I dont know if it's a myth or not but I've heard LSD trippers who were rushed to ER's would be given a shot of Valium to bring them out of the bad trip or counter effect the dose.

Before we started tripping me and a buddy were all giddy and psyching each other out and just stumbled on the idea of having a tangible piece of 'reality' in case we 'lost it'. At that time we used a spoon as our tether to reality. lol One thing great about LSD is I remember almost all my trips in detail. The spoon trip we had a poster on the wall of 'Rush' on stage jamming. We'd listen to the music and see the guys alive jamming in the poster. Light show and everything! We also had ESP that night. Rarely talked but communicated all night!