Disadvantages to using a water bong?

Hello!
Me and my friends at school argue all the time about this. Are there any disadvantages to using the Water bong? Example, does the water absorb any of the THC?

Thanks a lot!

 

dunno but bongs are my fave

 

yes, some of the THC is lost in the water.

 

because of the inherit stickyness of thc, not because of its disso9lubility in water

 

Thanks for the replies guys!
How much THC is actually absorbed into the water? Is it even enough to make a difference?

Thanks again!

 

it shouldnt make a big difference, bongs are the shit, i get some of the best highs off of it, so u should be all good!

 

Bongs kick ass man, the only disadvantage is when someone coughs as they are taking a hit and the water goes back through and douses your weed.

 

yeah, that sucks, definitely. But other than that they're probably the most efficient way to smoke (maybe vaporizers are better, I've heard very conflicting things on that). Some THC will stick to the chamber, but almost none is absorbed in the water, though some harmful stuff IS absorbed, making it a healthier way as well as wasting very little smoke.

 

you cant scrap them when your out... less portable, harder to hide but i think theyre one of the best ways to smoke

 

A drug derived from marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), formulated in sesame oil and encapsulated in soft gelatin capsules (Marinol(R); Roxane), is currently available as a prescription drug for the treatment of two diseases or conditions. It is indicated for the treatment of nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy, and for the AIDS wasting syndrome. The marijuana plant in smokeable form is available to ten patients in the United States for disorders such as glaucoma, spasticity, and the wasting syndrome. Each of these drug delivery systems, oral capsules and smokeable plant, has advantages and disadvantages, and each may be appropriate in particular circumstances. However, a drug delivery system that combines the rapid and reliable onset and ability to easily titrate an ingested dose (such as occurs by smoking marijuana cigarettes) with the least health risk (such as occurs by oral ingestion of capsules) would also be desirable. The use of water-filtered marijuana smoke, as produced by a water pipe, is one little-explored alternative. This article reviews some of the scientific work that has been done regarding the effects of water filtration on the composition and effects of marijuana and tobacco smoke.

While most of the research on water filtration has focused on tobacco smoke, the work with marijuana smoke has revealed that, except for their respective psychoactive components (nicotine and cannabinoids), both smokes share many common constituents and physical properties. Many of the results obtained from studies of tobacco smoke are applicable to marijuana smoke.

In the late 1970's, a group based at the University of Athens Medical School (Greece) conducted a series of chemical and pharmacological studies on marijuana and tobacco smoke.1-4 These scientists tested smoke that had been filtered through a water pipe and also tested the water itself, which contained both soluble and insoluble compounds. Chemical analysis revealed many different compounds in the smoke and in the water, as expected from the combustion of plant materials. The water did trap some THC, as well as other psychoactive compounds, however, most of the THC present in the marijuana passed through the water pipe unchanged. Pharmacological tests (in mice) revealed that some of the water-trapped marijuana compounds were responsible for producing catatonia and for suppressing spontaneous motor activity. In contrast, the water-filtered smoke itself did not affect spontaneous motor activity and did not induce catatonia, though it was richer in THC. These results indicate that water filtration removes some behaviorally active compounds in preference to others; this may be important when comparing the therapeutic effects of whole marijuana smoke to water-filtered smoke.

Research has shown that water filtration reduces both the amount of particulate matter and the number and quantity of toxic substances in the smoke that passes through it. In a 1963 study by Hoffman et al.,5 the water pipe was found to retain 90% of the phenol and 50% of the particulate matter and benzo-a-pyrene of the original tobacco smoke. In another study,6 tobacco smoke components that were passed through a water pipe showed only a minor hyperplasic reaction and no sebaceous gland destruction when they were painted onto mouse skin. (The application of substances to mouse skin to assess carcinogenic potential is a classic toxicological test; the induction of abnormal cell proliferation [hyperplasia] is a red flag.) In contrast, tobacco smoke condensate that was not water-filtered induced strong hyperplasia and complete sebaceous gland destruction when applied to mouse skin in the same concentration. Salem and Sami,7 also using the mouse skin test, showed that there was a significant reduction of carcinogenic potential in water-filtered smoke compared to the water remaining in the pipe i.e., the water-trapped material was more carcinogenic than the smoke that passed through it. Indeed, when analyzed by thin layer chromatography, two carcinogenic agents were identified in the water itself, while only one was identified in the water filtered smoke. Therefore, water filtration removes at least two known carcinogens that would normally be found in the smoke.

Recently, Dr. Gary Huber at the University of Texas and colleagues from Harvard's School of Public Health conducted a cellular toxicity study of marijuana and tobacco smoke.8 This research group showed that passing marijuana or tobacco smoke through water, or even exposing the smoke to a wetted surface of about 48 square inches, effectively removed substances (acrolein and acetaldehyde) which are toxic to alveolar macrophages. Alveolar macrophages are one of the major defense cells of the lung and are an important component of the immune system. When the macrophages were exposed to smoke that was not water filtered, there was a marked impairment of their capacity to kill bacteria. When the smoke was water-filtered, however, there was no reduction in the bactericidal ability of the macrophages, suggesting that marijuana smoke that has been passed through sufficient water will have less impact on the immune system than marijuana smoke that has not been water-filtered. This intriguing finding would be of particular importance when treating patients with the AIDS wasting syndrome.

The laboratory results discussed above parallel what is known from studying human tobacco-smoking populations. Thus, there is substantial epidemiological evidence that among tobacco smokers, those who smoke through a water pipe have a much lower incidence of carcinoma than those who smoke cigarettes or smoke a "regular" pipe or cigars.6,7,9,10

In summary, it appears that water filtration can be effective in removing components from marijuana smoke that are known toxicants, while allowing the THC to pass through relatively intact. The effectiveness of toxicant removal is related to the smoke's water contact area. Specially designed water pipes, incorporating particulate filters and gas dispersion frits would likely be most effective in this regard; the gas dispersion frit serves to break up the smoke into very fine bubbles, thereby increasing its water contact area. While individuals vary greatly in their smoking technique, state of health, dosing regimen, and so on, it seems that many patients could benefit from the use of water pipes to deliver THC. This would allow patients to titrate their dose easily while reducing the health hazard associated with smoke.

I found this article very interesting. The debate over which is better - the joint or bong - has been controversial on these boards. Maybe joints have a better tar/cannabinoids ratio, maybe not. But here we have proof that water pipes do indeed remove toxic substances where joints do not. Make of it what you will, I for one am glad I’ve always smoked bongs and will continue to do so.

 

No THC is lost in the bong water.

If any is present at all in bong water. it is a negligable amount.

Somewhere in this forum is a description of a test I once ran.

 

What do you suppose this means. What constitutes "spontaneous motor activity" or "catatonia"?

 

The refered to trappped compounds are bits of weed that fell into the water.
Once the water is filterd of solids, no THC remains.

Spontaeous motor activity would be spastic-type, involuntary movements. Twitches and such.

Catatonia is a coma-like state while awake.

Without knowing the condition under which the water was infused, nor the method of ingestion the mice underwent, I can't commet more.

 

Can't say i've ever experienced catatonia, and only twitch when i'm outside, smoking in the cold, and it's more of a shiver, haha. So, filtering out the stuff that does that wouldn't seem to have much effect on me.

Still, I think I may start using the bong more often.

 

better drink the bong water just to be safe

 

If you drink the bong water, you should just go ahead and move on to heroin and become a junkie now.

Control your self, for christ sake!

 

hahahaha

 

Haha, that's fantastic. Great post, geck.

 

but

if youre twitching

drink the bong water

and it will heal you

 

i love the bongs man, thats my favorite way to smoke man, its awesome