Anonymous and LulzSecurity Declare WAR on Governments, Banks and other Big Businesses

Ahhhh, back to the whole "who" anonymous is thing....

THEY'RE FUCKING ANONYMOUS, they're anyone who types anonymous in the name field on a website.

Just like any other political or action oriented set of people, they encompass a wide tract of views, from 14 year olds who are mad because of their bedtime to republican bible thumpers, in those millions of people there's someone who thinks just about anything, and has just about any reason. But all of them can unite to attack these targets that they see as evil or as shielding evil.

There is no group, and there is no goal. There are some people who have taken it upon themselves to speak for a collective, and for what they see as the views of many of them, but even then, "we" isn't very accurate, in the sense that their letters/releases use it.

The same is true for any internet "group": it's just really a name. On the much tamer side, there's us at HF: some of us want guns freely legal in any form, some want them all banned. Some want drugs freely legal, some want all or most of them banned. These same arguments happen on 4chan and in every other corner of the internet. But they have a large enough majority that thinks these particular greedy, power hungry people are fucking things up that that they can agree what general direction to move.

 

Well somewhere around 100-300 is usually enough to briefly take down a large website.

But there isn't a network of hacked computers for this, I mean there's all sorts of botnets run by all sorts of people all over the world, from the CIA to email spammers, but there is no official anonymous one or anything.

When anonymous does DDoS attacks, it goes pretty much like this: someone posts on 4chan (a very poor idea, with HOW heavily watched it is now.... it's just where this got it's start, now it's just an FBI trap) or a similar website, with a target, time, and reason, and a bit of motovational crap and/or a picture to serve as the project or attacks logo/instruction set. People who are interested recruit there and on other sites in a viral sort of way, and when the time rolls around (NOT very far in the future, you don't want them finding out and preparing, a matter of minute or hours) everyone uses a LOIC or other tool to attack.

Never participated in the DDoS'ing, but I've followed their live progress pretty carefully quite a few times.

Anonymous, as a collective, would generally avoid compromising individual's computers. Both in the legal problems it could cause others and the invasion of privacy/sovereignty, it goes quite against their ideals.

 

OK, it seems that I am the only one that wants this infrastructure we have to fall, I don't think anyone else wants that anywhere near as I do. BUT (big but) I would want the infrastructure to be replaced! In my eyes it can only be replaced if it is totally torn down. I would love all of that violence and chaos you describe but I know others wouldn't, so I would rather they had a new system that really benefitted them. You get what I'm saying? Sorting the wheat from the chaff would be answering your questions about who will be able to adapt etc. I think many many people will adapt and survive, humans are very adaptable and still social creatures. Most of the infrastructure that you describe and think people can't do without we've only had for about 150 years, how did people survive before that? Without it!

I believe in depopulisation until we can create a fair society, I believe in LESS technology and infrastructure until we can use them responsibly. But the revolution and anything else I want is probably not what will happen. Also, I think you underestimate mankind's ability to pull together during tough times. I think there would be less crime to a degree, since money would be worth nothing and people would defend what is their own fiercly and probably with large groups, so thieves and rapists etc would be probably be beaten to death by mobs. The best deterrent there is. I know I, like many others, would righteously defend those in need in a way that is not possible in this system.

The way you talk makes me think that you think like "without this system there is nothing to keep us alive and we're all doomed!" but that is not the case. Open your mind to the possibilties, apply future ideas to the future, not present ideas. You seem to think that the system somehow protects us from each other, again I don't think that is the case, I think it puts barriers between us and pushes us away from each other, makes us jealous and competetive and aquisitive and selfish. Without it, we would see how much we need each other, our love could bloom for the first time in thousands of years.

The wheat are the people that can embrace the change and produce a new, brighter society from the ruins, the chaff are those that cling on to the old ways, making themselves victims to nature and those that would choose to be predators.

 

Ooooooh baby, even I started having my doubts about what a bunch of hackers could really achieve, so I thought I'd do some research on the damage that cyber weapons could cause. I was not disappointed.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNkLWV7jSw

mega lulz!

 

It's not the groups like Lulz or anonymous that put the fear in me.
It's the governments of this world that do that!

Because in the game of politics and money. They're each going to keep looking for a tactical advantage over one another. As such each government is going to become increasingly paranoid. The end result will be police states, loss of personal privacy and within a single generation almost everyone will have a "personal tragedy" story.

Now you tell me what the only solution is to this mess?

The solution is to turn all this stuff off before it's too late.

(( Before anyone points out that we're using technology to talk. Please allow me to explain my circumstance. I'm an old man and I agreed to let my son get the internet installed in my home. His reasoning was I could save money on phone calls and get pictures of the grandchildren.

But you know what? I prefer the phone call and nothing beats going to the mail box and getting a postcard or a letter with a photograph in it. Perhaps it's me but I love having something to hold. I love seeing the handwriting of someone I love because somehow, I can see their for me in it. Not only were they taking the time to write it but I know they was thinking about me too. In the end,

Half the value of everything someone can give another in this world, is the effort put into it. )))
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Yes, it seems the governments are the ones to fear, they made Stuxnet or at least funded it, it would seem. It is open source though, apparently, and is easily downloaded. So this means that anyone with an internet connection and sufficient knowledge of code writing can modify one of the greatest weapons we have ever seen to suit their own agenda. Also, that stuxnet video is favourited by lulzsec on youtube, meaning they know it exists. Hurrah!

We don't have to turn it off, we can enjoy it while it's here. I don't use the internet for anything but fun and education, I will miss my fun and education but until last month I didn't have the internet for over a year, I didn't miss it. If the sentiment to your "turn it all off" solution is to disassociate yourself from the system and live life through no media peripherals then I have to agree. That is partially what Anon + Lulz are encouraging.

Also, being realistic, the internet is the only thing that can save us now. Without it we would be subjected to only what we are broadcast and whatever communication was allowed between us. Books are rarely censored but they take resources to produce, publicise and distribute and they aren't interactive. I'd say 95% of all activism now is facilitated by the internet, no different from commerce or "entertainment".

 

But that's what governments want. They want this to spiral into chaos that way they can bring in new laws, better equip the police and justify why they need to control us by taking away our freedoms.

And one way or another, they will take away the Internet from us. But it will be when they are ready to do it. When they have all the "tools" in place to reduce us all to something more managable.

And what makes you think that hasn't already been going on with the Internet? I once spoke to a college from Sweeden at a convention about International law. I was informed that the "great pirate social activists" called the Pirate Bay were in fact tied to neo-nazis groups.

The Pirate Bay is bed with Carl Lundström, a man with Adolph Hitler bedsheets.

Now if you look into this man's investements, you will find out just how much and how many of those "pirated Hollywood moves" he has invested in. Then examine the sheer number of contributions he has given to what he calls "close friends" in the White House.

Well lets just say that a new picture of what is really the purpose of the Pirate Bay starts to develop. Not to mention the level of hate and politcal corruption that is on and controlling the Internet.

(nb. To our Canadian friends, You should be made aware that not only did Carl Lundström donate millions to help the current Canadian Prime Minister in the last election. But he also had a hand in chosing and paying for the technical help required for their Internet campaign.)

 

Rooshack: It only takes one person to execute a DDOS flood. It is the easiest to perform and only involves a very small script placed on numerous systems. It rarely involves more than one person and the scripts for them can be downloaded from numerous sites.

 

The fear that I have is that corporations and government agencies refuse to make their networks secure. Kids are gaining access to these networks. KIDS! They don't do it to be malicious, they do it for fun and to learn. DDOS attacks can easily be blocked by all ISPs with a few lines added to the config. But they don't do it. Why? Corporations have the means to implement security measures that would make it a lot more difficult to gain unauthorized access. But they don't do it. Why?

 

What makes me think what hasn't already been going on? Sorry, I don't understand that answer.

As you say, one way or another they will try to take the internet. Control on the internet has been an issue for "them" for 10 years, one could say that they have been planning control of the internet for 10 years. I think that groups like anonymous realise this and they can see the direction it is going. They are trying to protect our free internet.

The governments seem to want things to sprial into chaos so they can do this and that and the other. They also want everything to stay in order so everything stays the same. WHICH IS IT? Maybe both. Maybe they've got all their bases covered and this is futile? Give me chaos over this so-called order any day. Chaos seems like our only chance, the only thing that is real. Everything is an illusion, it seems, none of it real, there are no great leaders with the people in mind, there are no groups working to protect the people and create a more free society. It's all an illusion. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free, as the saying goes.

 

They are trying to "take" the internet. But they do not understand that "taking" the internet is impossible. Wikileaks. They decided to try and shutdown wikileaks by having the owner of the server delete the site from their server. I laughed so hard I hurt myself. Google wikileaks mirrors and see how many there are out there. The only people who believe that the internet can be tamed are those who haven't a clue what it is, how it works or even how it was originally designed.

 

Hm, then how do countries like China and Iran control their internet? How do countries like Turkey manage to bring their once free internet under censorship?

We might have to take our work underground, to stop it falling into the wrong hands.

 

Censorship in those countries has already been circumvented by those who wanted to and did a little homework. So it is almost a moot point. There is no such thing as underground on the internet. If it is there, it can be found. If you don't want it found, don't put it on the internet.

 

lulzsec just dropped an enormous 'care package' of files, passwords, and so forth via the usual torrent sites.
This one apparently targeted law enforcement in Arizona due to the way immigrants are being targeted there, and they got ahold of a LOT of stuff. It seems this is only the first of many, no word on what the next one will contain.

 

Rarely involves more than one person?

As someone who's apparently considerably more "on the ground" than you, I'd like to know who the FUCK told you that.

"hacking" into someone's computer involves a lot more than you'd think, it involves having stupid targets who open your shit.

There are some angry 14 year olds with wannabe botnets and shit, but really..... no.

Yeah, scripts, like a LOIC. That you run on your computer, and get as many others to run as possible. Maybe a dozen people could take down HF, I don't know, but for banks and the like, you want hundreds of people. And they use hundreds of people.

Unless the whole anatomy of this sort of behavior has changed in the last few months. I lost interest. Too many fucktards who will go attack anything they're told to, which leads to lots of stupid attacks on people for NO reason, or because their ex boyfriend has a grudge or whatever.

Also, livelife, what the fuck chu' talkin' bout? Cyber weapons? Don't be as pathetic as the LEO's who call this cyber terrorism. It's nothing but 1's and 0's, there are no weapons, no terror, no war. Just a few 14 year olds. And I keep saying 14 year old for a reason: that's what most of them are. The only cyber terrorism or whatever would be to attack things with real life ramifications, like money, and I can't support that. I support attacking those who rip people off for a living, but it usually trickles down and fucks the people they're ripping off even worse.

I would be interested in this care package, but I'm not paying for bitguard (as though it works, anyway) and if you torrent that shit you can probably expect guys in sunglasses knocking on your door, there are laws that make even KNOWING that sort of thing a crime (fucked up as that is, yes, we've got thoughtcrime laws) such as the ones that techinically make reading or understanding the contents of many wikileaks a federal crime. Even if you read about it on fox news, it's illegal for you....

 

They are run from bots placed on different systems, setup to run at a specified time. They are predominantly run by ONE person and always have been. Hacking is not hard. Hence how 12 year olds are doing it. There are so many scripts out there that do the work for you it's a joke. One person can take down any server if the proper precautions are not taken by the owners of that server. It happens all the time. I'm a network engineer. I know a lot more than you may think I know............................. Thought crime laws? Could you explain that one for me?

 

Google MafiaBoy. Read. Then come back and tell me that one person cannot bring down a site.

 

Yeah, sorry to say, but while Anonymous and Lulzsec and them are obviously big groups - there are plenty of things just one hacker can do.
And don't be so sure the majority of the aforementioned groups are just dumb kids. While their infancy may have found them full of such people, they've changed considerably of late...and have attracted a vast range of people covering a lot of demographics. There might be a pile of kids firing away their LOICs, but the core of the groups is likely a good bit older.

 

The biggest concern here as I see it is that the companies and government organizations are not making their networks more secure. Not at all. They are just whining that people need to be arrested and placing the blame on anything but themselves. Nothing on the internet can be made 100% secure. But you can make it very difficult for even a gifted hacker to gain access.

 

There's an espionage law that makes it illegal to know classified state secrets and the like. This came up in relation to wikileaks, because it effectively made millions of people felons, just about anyone who read the news.

Hacking a worthy system is pretty fucking hard, "hacking" makes it sound so simple, like you're just swinging a virtual axe until you hack through it, but that's now how it works. There are numerous exploits and whatnot, but it just legally and strategically complicates things, when in 15 minutes I could organize a raid on /b/. Having large botnets and other such shit is a lot to worry about, when you can just say "we are anonymous, we do not forgive, we do not forget, blah blah blah, these guys are epic faggots because of the following epic faggotry, fire your LOIC's in an hour".

So yeah, of course one person can take down a site through a host of strategies, but most DDoS attacks involve a LOT of people. And yes, maybe even one LOIC can take it down for a few minutes, before they go "hey, there's some fuckhead DDoS'ing us" and temp ban your IP block or whatever, but for a real, hard hitting attack that can keep a site down for minutes or hours, you need an army of kids.

Yeah, you're right, downloading a LOIC and firin' isn't hard, which is why kids do it. Droves of them, at the same time. That's why every time they raid a few dozen out of a few hundred that participate in an attack, they charge a bunch of idealistic reckless high school freshmen with TERRORISM and shit, and send them away for ever.

I'm not doubting what you know about networking, and having had something to do with universities system administration, there's ALWAYS attacks going on all over the place. But it's mostly people who just want to break things, in some forsaken little country where there's nothing to do but break peoples systems on the other side of the world, and fish for credit card numbers.