How many people here refuse to use condoms?

From condoms you can get such things as uritiaria, annaphylactic collapse, anaphylaxis and even death in some cases. Even a cursory research shows that there is just as many medical side effects from prolonged condom use as there is from not using condoms and being stupid.

There is no substitute for responsibility. You can have sex with several different people each and every single day of your life. But it requires a little bit of common sense and planing.

When my wife was alive, we were swingers and had sex with a lot of people and we never used condoms. My wife always made sure her birth control "was working" and I always asked the woman I was going to have sex with if she was equally protected. Then even in clubs like Plato's retreat, we always exchanged phone numbers in case we needed to contact them or they us.

Add to that we took our health seriously and therefore became in tune with our bodies. We ate balanced meals, exercised regularly and mediated before going to bed. This sort of lifestyle kept us strong, healthy and would also warn us when an infection started. But to be on the safe side, we also had a doctor that was a swinger and we would routinely get tested for chlamydia. Because chlamydia is a week bacterial infection that may not show any symptoms for a long time in a health person.

But having said that,
My wife did contract syphilis and it wasn't the end of the world. We phoned the people we had played with and told them of the situation. In the end, it was about 2 weeks of antibiotics for both her and myself. And we refrained from swinging for about 2 months to make sure there was no problems.

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When I make my stand against condoms, I'm making a stand for being natural and needed human to human physical contact. It is our God Given Biological Birth Right to have sex and experience the physical contact. We need that contact for proper healthy mental development.

What I am not saying is that you should "fuck" everything that moves.

Think about it,
You don't have to be genius to figure out that just because a crack addict is offering you sex, that accepting the offer isn't a good idea. Somethings are just common sense.

A good rule of thumb,
Make sure that anyone you have sex with respects themselves and their life as least as much as you respect your own.

IE: If they're some sort of addict, etc. You might want to keep your pants on.

 

I'm currently in a committed relationship. The only time we use condoms is when we have vaginal intercourse. Which is very rare. Then it is mostly for birth control. When I was running free so to speak I always used condoms. The reason being that even if voice of truth is right and there is no such thing as AIDS I don't want to find out the hard way. To me it is best to err on the side of caution.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Great, but none of that still accounts for unwanted pregnancy. I can't count on one hand how many teenagers I see on a daily basis walking around with their own child.

 

I answered the question of unwanted pregnancy. But for the sake of stating it more simply and bluntly, what causes unwanted pregnancy is a failure to take responsibility.

Condoms are a lousy form of birth control. Under the very best conditions they are only effective 80% of the time. (IE: Have sex 4 times and get an unwanted pregnancy on the 5th)

But most people do NOT have sex under the VERY BEST conditions. Therefore in common practice a condom only prevents unwanted pregnancies 60% of the time. (IE: Have sex 4 times and get unwanted
pregnancies on the 4th and 5th)

The solution to unwanted pregnancies is be responsible and "plan" your sexual encounters. That means make sure your girlfriend either has an IUD or is on the PILL before you have sex. (IE: DO NOT get caught in the heat of the moment)

Irresponsibility leads to unwanted pregnancies and condoms are useless to stop them. .

 

those last 6 words completely stopped me from re-reading your post (I have imaginary A.D.D. and usually have to read 3 or 4 times)

 

But it's true because condoms break, slide off, leak and there is a right way vs wrong way to put them on.

Think about it,

• Men put them in their wallets, causing them to stress.
• One size does not fit all.
• Some women like oil based lubes instead of water and oil breaks down latex.
• Heat can do wear down the latex. Many men keep them in the glove compartment
• etc etc etc.

As it is stated,
Under the BEST circumstances, a condom is only 80% effective
Under the worst circumstances they are useless.

But for most people they tend to be 60% effective. It's the reason spermicidal foam is recommended to be used in conjunction with condoms.

Therefore, use the pill or get an IUD.

 

I like your bum..

 

good question. i personally hate condoms. they diminish the sexual pleasure considerably and i prefer not to use them. so from that angle, condoms suck, big time. i do insist on using them with guys that have had a long sexual history, guys that have taken part in group sex and gone bareback, in other words with guys that have a rather questionable sexual history. reason being, they have a higher likelihood of having any kind of sexual infection. like someone already pointed out here, STDs get a lot more hype than other 'regular' viruses, and are made out to be somewhat different, which i agree that they're not. however, just like i don't wish to contract a 'regular' virus like cold for example (and which i haven't had for 5 years now), just for the fun of it, i do not wish to contract any sexual viruses, no matter how minor, if i can do something about it and if it looks like the person i'm about to get in bed with is at a higher probability of having one.

I'm gay, so i never have to worry about unwanted pregnancies. if i were straight, i would use condoms for that purpose, because i do not wish to have children.

I don't deny HIV exists, but i also recognize that it's a very rare disease and it's not as easily contracted as some people are making it out to be. if you have unprotected sex with a person who's got HIV doesn't automatically mean you will get HIV yourself. you will get it into your system but in most cases your body will fight it off. HIV is a very weak infection and for it to actually survive in your body you have to already be immunologically compromised somehow.

so, i use condoms with guys that have been around a lot. i'm not in a relationship right now, but if i were i would be monogamous and not use condoms with my partner.

so for me, condoms are fine for one-night stands and for short-term use, but i could not and would not want to use them in a long-term perspective.

 

i prefer not to use condoms, but in certain casual sex situations(one night stands or people i dont know as well as i'd like to) i will simply because i have never had an std and dont wish to contract one. i've had my tubes tied so i dont have to worry about pregnancy. my boyfriend and i have been together over a year, and never used a condom, even though we both had a questionable sexual history. we've had several other people in our bed and both of us are still clean and healthy so i really see no need for them.

 

Tubes tied at 23? Can you have them untied if you change your mind?

 

I'm sorry but that stat just isn't true. I've used condoms for years and aside from two or three "accidents" (without protection) I have yet to get a chick pregnant.

So, have sex Monday through Friday and get knocked up by Sunday? That hasn't been my experience.

I have never gotten a chick pregnant while using a condom. And I used them daily for years.

 

Maybe in the late 80's. Today typical use failure rate is 15%, Perfect use failure rate is 2%.

 

In order for stats to be true, you need to have a large enough population sample. It doesn't invalidate the statistic just because you never had a problem.

I'm using the 2007 World Health Organization statistics. There are a lot of legal issues surrounding STDs and I began subscribing to several different periodicals from the WHO in the late 90s.

No doubt the "quality" of certain condom manufacturers may vary and therefore the effectiveness. But condom manufacturers are not required to conduct any analysis on their product. And if they do rigorously test their product, there is no uniform standardization. Only several commonly accepted procedures.

Additionally there are no laws in place that require a condom manufacturer to publish their results, the criteria for those results or how accurate those results must be. It is therefore, their liberty to publish any condom effectiveness statistic based on any procedure of their own devise.

In summation, they may claim 99% effectiveness based on their data but in use by the public their product might only be 3% effective.

 

i know what you saying Voice of Truth... i got Herpes from a regular partner... fucked around for years before that, unprotected, and should, by all accounts, have contracted HIV, but didn't... i heard that some prostitutes carry the virus but never actually develop it themselves... they must have developed some kind of immunity to it perhaps? there may well be truth in what you say

 

Well the woman I'm spending time with has herpes. According to her, she contracted back in the 70s from some guy that said he knew John Travolta. She only had 2 outbreaks of it, the first of course from the initial infection and the second she said was in the 90s. She was stressed out due to the death of her sister. (Stress appears to be really a big factor in having more than one outbreak)

As for HIV,

Well you have to know what a "Syndrome" is and how it differs from a virus. I'll cut through all the medical mambo jumble and state it in plain english.

A Syndrome is when the medical community looks at a bunch of symptoms and says, "Well the patient has these symptoms and we're not sure why. Since these symptoms kind of look like this disease, we guess that's what the patient has."

HIV is a virus and not AIDS. Whereas AIDS is a syndrome and not a virus.

The crazy medical community and scientist do some really unethical and idiotic stuff. Can you imagine walking into a doctor's office because you caught pneumonia from swimming in a pond in the middle of February in Montana. But because you have the HIV antibody in your blood, they put you on a chemotherapy drug instead of antibiotics.

Add to that, that this entire HIV testing is pure garbage. For example the standards for a positive test are much harder in Australia than the United states. If you test positive for HIV in the United States, you can fly to Australia and test negative. And in England the medical branch of their government doesn't even recognize the validity of the tests.

So if you're going to do something stupid like swimming in a pond in the month of February in New York. Take a flight to Australia or England for treatment.

 

Sounds to me, like someone is infected with the HIV virus and living in denial because you dont want to wreck the intimate relationships, youre so lucky to have.. <meanwhile spreading the virus like love and peace.. There isnt anything peaceful and loving about HIV!

actually most your comments are hurtful to those suffering with hiv/aid..

 

some people are resistant to certain strains of HIV. but not all. they may be carriers of HIV passing it on to others who aren't resistant to it. also, they definitely aren't resistant to all strains of HIV, and can catch another strain that will develop into HIV in them.

the resistance itself comes from an inherited genetic mutation.

 

^Oh I know about this.

It's called the delta 32 mutation.

Rare in the general population, but apx 12% in areas hit with the black plague.

It allowed survival of black plague and now resistance to HIV.

A double copy makes you immune.

...Stuff I learned in Cultural Anthropology, of all classes.

 

Although the 2007 male condom failure rate article no longer exists on the who website, as far as I can tell, I found people quoting from the report while searching.

World Health Organisation :
"Estimated pregnancy rates during perfect use of condoms, that is for those who report using the method exactly as it should be used (correctly) and at every act of intercourse (consistently), is 3 percent at 12 months.

The most frequently cited condom effectiveness rate is for typical use, which includes perfect and imperfect use (i.e. not used at every act of intercourse, or used incorrectly). The pregnancy rate during typical use can be much higher (10-14%) than for perfect use, but this is due primarily to inconsistent and incorrect use, not to condom failure. Condom failure – the device breaking or slipping off completely during intercourse – is uncommon."

 

What's John Travolta got to do with this? you think he got it from him?