One of those Getting to know you threads lol

Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you. I feel really bad, since I praise the stuff so much. Best of luck getting off of it. I think you will do fine. Stick around the opiates forum here though! We would miss you too much.

 

What exactly is the diff btwn suboxone and methadone?

 

difference between SBX and 'done? about a two year post acute withdrawal nightmare with methadone coming off.. Methadone has ONE advantage, you can use it prior to a 24/36 wait unlike Subs, which, if taken too early (as in you are NOT already experiencing mild/moderate w/ds from a short acting agonist opiate (heroin, oxy, dilaudid, vicodin, opana) will cause 'precipitated withdrawal' meaning if you dont wait for the short acting opiate to leave your receptors located in your brain itll throw you directly into w/d which youll remember and NEVER do again! Also SUbs have a ceiling effect at around 32mg, meaning if you take anymore than that its basically ineffective.

Methadone stays in your system a long time as does Buprenorphine, Bupe (subs) have a 36 hour half life, meaning if you take 8mg Monday at 10am by Tuesday 10pm youll have 4 mg left..also many people myself included can feel the short acting drug after about a day and a half after using bupe. Personally it'll be alot easier to withdraw from subutex/suboxone than methadone..itll still suck but tapered correctly itll be a lot less shitty..no pun intended.. if you have a choice between the two im sure most including myself will suggest subs.. also Buprenorphine packs a fucking HELL of a punch 2mg seems to equate to about 80mg Morphine..its NOT a drug to be taken lightly..ideally its meant for opiate maintenance...if you need anymore info PM me

 

...also with bupe..the age old addage of more = better is NOT right for Bupe..2mg for a newbie on this will normally blow your cock off! and have you getting your buzz on.. more than this has little effect other than a lot of puking for first timers. Im a HUGE fan of this drug for maintenance and to hold off w/d if i run out of my large oxy script early.

an 8mg suboxone lasts me two three days and ive been a very heavy hardcore opiate addict close to ten years.

One final thing, theres also a difference between subutex and suboxone..suboxone has naloxone in it.. this is a SHIT drug...i havent got time to go into it now..but if you get suboxone once under the tongue and it dissolves SPIT OUT THE SALIVA that is in your mouth.ill explain later

 

i just wanted to throw in my 2 cents to ya SC.

for years and years (and presently) i was addicted to benzos (xanax and kpins mostly). whatever no biggy, but the first time i blew back a 30 roxy i fell in love... and i'm going to tell you right now what youre doing is chasing that first high for the rest of your life. three years ago i did my first roxy and now i sell them to support my habit (i buy 30 at 25 a pop and sell them for anywhere from 45-75 dollars...yes i said 75 dollars) and when its not around i shoot up heroin. point is that ive never gotten that same feeling from the first time i did it, and im talking like snorting 8 30's a day to the point of nosebleeds and convulsive vomiting. so if youre gonna do them do them, but be smart and when you start feeling like you need more to get off, dont get more just stop until your tolerance levels out a little. be fucking careful.

 

thank you for your feedback, that is why i want to be particularly careful, I'll be going in a few weeks and i would like to have just enough of a craving that they give me something that will help me with the effexor withdrawal as well , or is that a risky idea?

 

Well, the last week has been VERY busy and important for those of us in the opiates forum! Just to recap:

1. BottleFED makes the wise decision to stop Subs after finding it wasn't for him.
2. SeverineComplex discovers opioids' benefits on mental health and figures out a plan to have a better future.
3. Etkearne gets off of Ritalin and on to Vyvanse (dextroamphetamine) with much more success. No more insufflating. My nose is very happy these days.
4. At least two new members start posting
5. Many changes to people's regimens.

I hope we all benefit from our changes and that the coming weeks are better for all of us.

 

etkearne you are absolutely delightful and hilarious!! i feel that if we sad down to have a conversation, it would go on for years! Earlier I write you a reply saying basically exactly what you just wrote up there about me LOL, but RIGHT before I pressed down my &@&$^@&*$ computer pulled an automatic shutdown on me!

Very disappointing talk with my dr- he's such an ass - he added trilyptal- abother atypical Bi Polar II anti seizure drug used just like Topamax to help with Bi Polar- BUT ITS NOT BI POLAR IM GIVING UP!

Another update- he did advise my family not to have me wean off effexor, so as of now its just an issue of cuttiing my pot supply in half, and so my plan isi to try to to a alternate pot & opiates- that way each will last longer-what do you think about that?

 

hi there i,m from central pa also up altoona, yeah i like all types of pain meds n weed n everything really lol

 

Your computer tends to shut down at very inopportune moments haha.

I can tell you now that Trileptal is not very good for Bipolar symptoms. I took it for over a year, and I noticed no symptom relief. However, it made me feel stupid and also had the strange side effect of making my skin sunburn easily. I have rather tawny skin for being of English/Irish descent (more like an Italian), and rarely ever burned. The Trileptal made me turn into a lobster. I eventually got off of it on my own.

You mention needing an alternative to pot. What will it be? Like I have said, opioids are very expensive street drugs. What ideas are running through your mind? Also, I couldn't quite tell from your reply: Are you cutting down on the Effexor or not? I still think that in an ideal world, getting off that stuff would help you a lot. However, as we both know, the w/d is hell.

Keep us updated on the story. I really hope the doctor come to some sort of "a-ha!" moment where they can help you more than they have so far. For my own treatment, that moment came when I integrated Suboxone with my own, individual study of Dialectical Therapy books. I never once went to a DBT therapist, as I probably would end up cursing them out. But when I studied the stuff myself, I could get pissed off, but I would be alone in my apartment, so no one "got hurt" haha. I still suggest looking into re-reading material from that realm. Do it away from a therapist. In my experience, when I am paired with a therapist, I make the Number One Priority to establish that I know more than them about psychiarty and that they are an asshole (which is usually true). So, this immediately taints the process. So doing it on my own helped significantly. There was no "Egomaniac" that I had to "bring down" in addition to my own therapeutic process.

 

Please check out the blog Ignorance Kills. Go to google and type in Ignorance Kills. It was written in 2006. If you are not familiar with Endorphin Defeciency Syndrome, sounds like you should be. Good luck. Please don't beat yourself up anymore. Get on Suboxone and try to have a life.

 

lolz Harrisburg. Ive had a couple of GREAT time there. And Ethearne, when i was going to University in Philadelphia i traveled to Harrisburg with a friend from school who is from the area, we met up with one of his friends who was a stripper at an out of town club. We did some bangin' dope, went to the strip club with my buddy and his friend while she worked, got rather drunk there too. then headed back into Harrisburg and she paid for a room at the Hilton you mentioned. haha small world. Another friend joined us, an older dude, and he had a script for 240 30mg roxi's so a good amount of those went into me that night too! Damn had a great time so many other shenanigans i wont even mention on the forums though.. :devil:

 

^Haha. I love the story. Harrisburg is a bit of a crazy town for how small and isolated it is. It has the character of a much larger, urbanized center, probably since it is the state Capitol. There is many crazy clubs in addition to the classy clubs and bars like the Hilton. I will be there again this Thursday at the Hilton on bass, so come and repeat your past H-burg experience again haha. I'll be the guy with glasses on fretless electric bass.