Korporate America

Aren't these companies the ones who created the community problems they are trying to fix?

 

Any person by definition is a trust. so with that being said, who are the trustees? who are the beneficiaries? who are the grantors because each one has a role to play. therefore, all property in the US exists in trust in one capacity or another. Funds, reserves and the like are also trusts. Social Security is a trust, it has beneficiaries, as well as trustees and grantors. Medicare/Medicaid are also trusts. So grantors create and shape trusts, appoint positions such as trustees, beneficiaries and or other fiduciaries. Grantors can also terminate trusts when they feel like it and can make the trustees do whatever is deemed necessary to execute the trust and or distribute trust property to the beneficiaries.

1. So who are the grantors of the Federal Reserve Trust?
2. How about the IMF trust?
3. or how about the trust relationship you created with the light company?
who is the grantor and where is the trust instrument that created and or delegates that relationship?
4. Where is the trust instrument that allows anyone of you to claim sole dominion and sole beneficiary of any of the property that you are currently holding in trust?
5. Where is the trust instrument that makes you the sole beneficiary of the federal reserve notes you currently possess or held at the US treasury?



These are critical questions because the trustees will distribute the trust funds to whomever the grantor decides or whatever is necessary to protect and or execute on the trust corpus. So why u think that the ptb are only giving trust funds to whomever they think will preserve the trust, this is partially why. Maybe this is why on the money it says IN GOD WE TRUST.

 

not gonna spin any of it....WE created those companies by wanting cheap goods and internal combustion engines. some person saw a need and met it. WE bought their products...if WE don't like them, we can destroy them by ceasing to purchase their products....and we'll put x thousand people out of work...and either have to ride mules and make our own bath towels and blouses, or???? (a little extreme, but you see the drift of what could happen if everyone quit going to wally and buying gasoline)

one principle is....for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

a second principle to consider-broadly, not narrowly-is 'money fixes everything'.

no, it sure as fuck don't, but....what resources does anyone always intend to 'redistribute' when the topic comes up? do they want land like was done in africa, where the gdp went to hell after the redistribution? what was redistributed under lenin and stalin that made such a difference in the quality of life? when chairman mao took over, what did he redistribute to anyone? the unintended consequences of mass redistribution of money are limitless, i would say. there are a limited number of people who want to grow their own corn and take over monsanto's x thousand acres planted.

one time years ago, i did a calculation of gdp/# of adult denizens of the united states. if i recall correctly, the number came to something like $17,000 per person. big whooptie ast deal....most of the people i know wouldn't have that still in their pocket a week later.

a third principle...just like the law of gravity...immutable, as far as we know...there ARE limited 'real' resources, despite what geithner and bernanke want to slop around.

 

Sounds to me like you're saying we've passed the point of no return.
Any change that society makes will only set us back.

I too have run similar #s and I agree that very often what seems like large #s when spread over a large group of people doesn't amount to much.
That says a lot about the distribution.
The big boys are taking small amounts from the rest of us and getting fat pockets in the process.

But the #s that I mention about the cash being hoarded by big business does come out to at least one year possibley 3 yrs of SS payments.

 

Well as for SS, I imagine those who pay into it are the grantors, the government, the trustees and retirees the beneficiaries.

Are you saying the grantors of the SS trust can revoke it at will?

Look man, i've read your posts and while I have a basic understanding of what you are saying I'm not seeing how understanding this helps our current economy.

But, what are the answers to your questions above. I can only speculate so I hope that you will simply provide those answers.

I mean my original post was about how corporate america is hoarding money, etc....
Now if you were to tell me something like ''''you see there is this very obscure law, that says corporations can only hold x dollars and when they exceed that amount all it takes is a petition of 100 signatures for the corporation to be forced to release those funds to the 100 people signing the petition....''''
then, all this info you've provided would be golden.

But all you've really done is given me more in depth info about something w/ which I'm familiar.

 

Well isn't that what a grantor is able to do? where is the trust instrument that allows them to be considered a grantor in any capacity?

I have explained more than needed to understand this concept in my view, you may need to be more knowledgeable first before you can fully understand what I am saying here if you have not caught on yet...


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Well if you are familiar than the legalese should be no problem or you to understand and the roles of the trust you should be able to identify them...

well I don't have any economic situation, as I don't meddle in government business anymore...why are you speculating at all? I think you should look back at what I posted and think some more first...this is much more complex than maybe you are able to understand currently...

 

Now here is where it gets more complex, since there is a national debt, and since you don't have a freehold estate, using fed notes or any credit that you did not issue means the rights to the trust funds have been subrogated by those who made the contribution. under the partnership act, emergency war powers act, and the liber code, any partnership credit can be appropriated for the benefit of the partnership. did you know there was a national debt, and therefore all titles are in abeyance and all property is essentially corpus of a charitable trust? so u think because you are holding fed notes that you are the owner of them and the sole beneficiary?

 

the fact of the matter is, you cannot complain about the economic system that was not created for your benefit. further more you cannot complain if you do not know how it works or how to use it properly. what is your status? are you in honor or are you insolvent and in dishonor? sorry for not consolidating in advance..you keep thinking that the money use is yours, when its issued by someone else under trust and you have no proof of your contribution. and people wonder why these corps use your accounts receivable and sell them and still charge you a monthly bill.

 

ok, now it seems like you're saying that i have basically made a contribution to SS and in doing so I have given up all rights to those funds?

It's great that you know all these things but it's of no use, if all you really want to say is that you know all these things and I don't.

I could have told you what I have in depth knowledge of and what I understand superficially.

 

what I am saying is that since there is a national debt, and indentures, at any time through treaty and the international relationships of the US, the creditors or the agents thereof can institute legal proceedings to exercise powers as grantors and or trustees for settlement and or appropriation. further, since the IMF through the Fed Reserve issues the credit on behalf of the creditors, they are the actual grantors and any money you put into anything can be taken at any point. in addition, you don't have a freehold estate, i.e. you don't own the land you are standing on, so you don't really get a say except for the pirating you have been doing as a captor...but that is further discussion down the line...

nope not my point at all. I figure since we were talking about the faults concerning money, I figured I would bring up the faults of people not understanding what they are doing and the circumstances surrounding it and maybe that is why it fails. I have brought out some wonderful points. maybe it will register soon

 

I own nothing?
And what's more important;

Lemme gues, none of what you say applies to Korporate America?

 

what I am saying has everything to do with it...I am waiting on you to catch on...first don't complain about corporate america until you understand what they are doing and why. then you may fix your lips to complain, otherwise you are just being ignorant at that moment. I am not saying that you are ignorant in general...

 

What is Korporate America doing?


How I see it is they are hoarding cash.
It's an uncertain economy and they are reluctant to hire or invest.
Not very different from Joe Schmoe down the road who is holding out on buying a car because he's afraid he may not have a job tomorrow.

At the same time Politicians talk about possibly not having enough money to make benefits payments. I also understand that Korporate America hides billions if not trillions of dollars in overseas tax havens. I also understand if they bring that $$ back home they risk a 35% income tax. I agree that's too high. But I disagree w/ their proposal that they only be taxed 5% on it. I agree that incentives should be in place for making improvements but these tax havens go beyond simple incentives.

Sooooo,
Why does the government not have the power to free these funds?
Is the government helpless?
Is Korporate America really our government?

What is Korporate America doing?
Enlighten me.

In plain english. I'm not here asking for help in writing a thesis.

 

hmm, hey bless your lil heart. I got nothing but love for you. IN reality I have explained much of how some of the money is hid and why. I explained that pretty well. but since you have a hard time understanding plain English, then it maybe hard for you to see. maybe someone else can explain it to you... but a more thorough explanation would lie in foreign non-witholding trusts..but since you have a dictionary and don't use it I would not want you to hurt yourself...

now why would the government subvert its own interest in those funds? maybe the government is operating in a similar way? maybe the government when selling securities operates in a way to benefit the creditors and not you? I dropped so many gems for you but you cannot see them because you are not opened yourself up because I think you want to talk, so talk...

 

and that is exactly what it is supposed to do as was the purpose of its creation...you are answering your own question....

 

what I see as my government is not my government but the creditors?


you remind me of college professors who think the only way for someone to understand something is for them to have to wrest knowledge and info from others. As if knowledge you stumble upon or knowledge that's easily available is somehow worth less. As if those seaking knowledge from the more learned must somehow prove themselves worthy of that experience.

You may know your shit when it comes to economics or the true inner workings of a system that effects all of us, and you are certainly very arrogant about it.

 

The purpose of corporations is to hoard cash?
Is that what Henry Ford had in mind when he devised the assembly line?

I'm sorry but I think you're way off on that one.
Creating a business I can understand if the purpose is to acquire the worlds riches, to acquire more mateerial goods than one could ever need, to have power over every thing living or not in this world, but to hoard cash?
For every business to have as it's purpose to hoard cash?

I know quite a few small business owners and while they do have large cash reserves they are not hoarding cash.

 

excuse me and forgive me as that is not my intention. and your first sentence is correct because they are the grantors and legal title holders behind the national debt. I would never say that readily available knowledge or information is not important, but not so readily available information is just as crucial if not more important as not knowing is dangerous...

 

I think you maybe romantically enhancing the patriotic vision of henry ford trying to save the world or something. the sole purpose of a corporation is to make money, bottom line. hoarding is just a result of doing so...

 

I think you maybe romantically enhancing the patriotic vision of henry ford trying to save the world or something. the sole purpose of a corporation is to make money, bottom line. hoarding is just a result of doing so...

are you telling me that henry ford's purpose of the assembly line has anything to do with something outside of profiting and centralizing a previously independent entrepreneurial enterprise by offering benefits and subrogating the workers rights to their rights?

further I think you are forgetting that people generally did not like concepts such as corporations and business trusts as why people wanted to flee places like england in the first place and the people did not invent the concept of a corporation, but barristers and those in the legal profession, another private enterprise created for the benefit of the grantors, contributors, insurers, did.