Psychedelic "Insight"/Spirituality

“I solved the secret of the universe last night, but this morning I forgot what it was.”

Very often psychonauts speak of "insight" gained on their psychedelic adventures. On your own psychedelic trips, do you think that the knowledge that you "get" or "feel" or whatever can be retained or are those feelings/whatever generally exclusive to tripping time? How does "insight" come to you? On my last LSD trip a few months back, at the 10 hour mark, the patterns in my wooden door began shape shifting into hundreds of interconnected Buddhas. Previously I had little interest in spirituality. Now I meditate daily and am very interested in eastern thought and Jungian psychology - in response to a pattern LSD created on a door. Would you consider this insight?

"Christmas formal!? it's a fucking sacrament!!"

I admit when I first starting using psychedelics I did so in a rather hedonistic manner. I apparently have a different attitude towards them. When your attitude toward psychedelic substances changes, does the nature of the trip as well?

Once you get the message, hang up the phone.

Is there something new to be learned with every trip? Do you see yourself giving up psychedelics in the future? If you are very experienced with psychedelics, is there a lot worth pursuing in tripping? Thanks Hip Forums.

 

There is a limited amount of information one can store in their memory banks and the information from psychedelics usually is abstract, novel, weird, etc. so there is obviously going to be some "insight" that your mind disregards because it doesn't know how to utilize or interpret it. If you don't make an effort to try and integrate and learn from your trips, then probably most of the psychedelic information will be disregarded.

However you can try and take main concepts learned from the psychedelic state, or even bits and pieces and try to apply that to issues and concerns in 'normal' consciousness and build on them. The major epiphany trips are rare but most trips there is a bit that can be learned from.

I don't find trips have necessarily changed much because of any focus on psychedelics, I find any different outlook on psychedelics I have is due to life experiences. I still have deep, insightful trips, and I still have hedonistic trips and sometimes they are not mutually exclusive.

 

Psychedelics changed me in several ways. Was it the insights? To me, insights are like thoughts - sometimes valuable, sometimes disturbing. An insight is noticing I have some annoying pattern. Realizations are another matter, at least in how they're experienced. I didn't have an insight that we all are One, but I had that realization (as in, it was real-ized) and it changed my life. I mean it changed the whole course of my life.

Maybe it was as much you realizing the Sacred as it was you seeing the Buddhas.

I quit psychedelics and all other drugs for about 25 years. Now, I'm going to parties in the forest where the music sounds something like this http://soundcloud.com/psybeat/aes-dana-summerlands - the magic starts ~40 sec in. Sooo fucking psychedelic. At this point euphoria, bliss, beauty, and ecstatic dancing are what's happening.

 

Very nice post TM. Your sentiments speak to me, thanks.

Luv the song too. I would truly dig getting the chance to experience some music like that in an outdoor psychedelic setting.

I enjoy this station immensely, sometimes even when not tripping.

http://somafm.com/play/suburbsofgoa

 

Nice..................

Hopefully all those and above will be found at....................................

www.sonica-dance-festival.eu/

 

This is a high time, so much happening just a step or two from mainstream culture. Anyway SB, I guess one thing that's being said is that there are a lot of different trips out there, lot of paths. Some people have been tripping for many years. Others, like Voyage and I quit for many years. Some trip weekly(!), some monthly, some yearly, some high dose, some low, some take the middle path. But (much of) it's real.

SOMA is a prime example of so much happening.


I still have deep, insightful trips, and I still have hedonistic trips and sometimes they are not mutually exclusive.

 

I say yes to everything. I think you already know

 

It's the kind of insight you know is always there, and you know you'll forget it, because it's not something the mind can grasp, you can only know it through consciousness.. but you know its okay because it's always there, and life is a big fuckin game.

 

Lately I've been realizing that I'm deriving great benefit in the days after tripping, as things are processed consciously and unconsciously. The trip itself may or may not include great insight or realization, but something is happening in those 3-5 days afterward.

 

Well the last time that I did acid I realized that my depression is under my control and I and only I have control over my mood and my happiness.

 

is it working?

 

Last month I went through a mild amount of depression along with a few symptoms of a panic disorder. One day, I woke up and I felt absolutely great. Then I thought, "Oh, yesterday I was depressed though." So my association with the past primarily made me depressed, and only I in the present can fix it. Time won't fix a thing.

 

You mean on their computer, right?
Because as far as I know the human brains capacity for storage is waaaayyyy beyond anything we can conceive. Seriously GB that has to be one of the lamest statements I have ever seen here. Our ability to actively retrieve the memories is what is limited, but the storage and retention is not. I remember seeing a show about an autistic man who had complete recall of any music he ever heard, and he only had to hear a song once. They even tested him by looking through his collection, which was 10's of thousands of pieces of music, and picking out a selection he heard once 40+ years earlier and he was able to play the song perfectly.
So if there is a limit to human memory capacity, nobody has ever come close to reaching it.

SB the phenomena you mention is a very well known and documented one in the areas of consciousness research. It's known as state bound knowledge. Certain "insights" or even memories can be stored during an altered state, and only recalled when the person is in that state again. I remember on some crime show they even talked about it because some guy witnessed some crime while stinking drunk, and they got him drunk again and he was able to remember what happened. True it's a Hollywood interpretation, but the principle applies.

I've dropped this guys name before, but it is really worth it to read his work, Charles T. Tart. He was a pioneer in conciousness research and has done tremendous work in that field for over 40 years. Plus he has taken a wide variety of psychedelics, and pratices other forms of consciousness altering practices. Basically he knows from a textbook perspective and experiential perspective. Good resource.

Over the years and as my experience with altered states of awareness, drug induced and naturally induced, increased I have learned to retain a great deal more info then when I was younger.
As I have stated here many times, there is no "end" to learning, therefore psychedelics will always have something to offer no matter how old or experienced a person may be.

 

Really Dude ? You can suck it

WOW! One isolated incident, What about this phenomena

Anterograde amnesia is a loss of the ability to create new memories after the event that caused the amnesia, leading to a partial or complete inability to recall the recent past, while long-term memories from before the event remain intact. This is in contrast to retrograde amnesia, where memories created prior to the event are lost.

 

Yes, but at least what I referred to actually has something to do with memory capacity, considering the enormous volume of music the guy has stored in his head.
Your reference doesn't have a damn thing to do with memory capacity, which is what your original statement was about.
If there is a limit to human memory capacity, would care to educate us about it?

Concerning amnesia, are the memories actually lost, or just the ability to retrieve them? Amnesia is usually the result of some type of neurological trauma, and still has nothing at all to do with the human brains storage capacity. Maybe I should remind you of what you said;

I would return the favor of neg repping you, but I'm a little more mature and thicker skinned than that.

 

I don't see capacity written anywhere there by me, lay off the acid!

 

How else do you propose a person should interpret your statement then?
You do understand that the word "amount" as used in your statement does entail the capacity of the thing in question, don't you?

 

Anterograde amnesia is a loss of the ability to create new memories after the event that caused the amnesia, leading to a partial or complete inability to recall the recent past, while long-term memories from before the event remain intact. This is in contrast to retrograde amnesia, where memories created prior to the event are lost.

You do realize creating, recalling and losing memories also entails capacity as well don't you?

You ruined an awesome thread with your fucking pretentious bickering as usual.

 

No it doesn't. It entails the ability to create and recall memories, not how MANY memories can be stored.

MY pretentious bickering :smilielol5:
as usual

I'm so glad to see that you have gained so much insight, spirituality, and love through your use of psychedelics. It is an inspiration to the rest of us.:sunny:

 

SinisterBotanist I am sincerely sorry I ruined this thread.