The new testament and slavery.

Coming from a man who read, 'therefore' as 'before'.

 

'We'll' miss you? Jesus, I didn't know that you thought other Christians on this forum couldn't speak for themselves.

What are they your lackies???

Arrogance has many faces my friend, don't be afraid, there will be comfort in your death.

 

They're certainly okay by me but I'm sure ChangeHappens will find some way to disqualify you from the discussion.

 

Take your ball and go home? How mature.

Also I believe if you'll look, the only "insults" that I've "insulted" you with are those that you used first.

 

I wouldn't have insulted you, if you didn't come into my thread and post this crap as your opening statement.

 

:smilielol5:

 

Anyway while we are all here, anyone else notice that atheists always seem to be angry and that if you show them that they might actually be wrong about something they go ballistic?

 

That's exactly the attitude that makes people insult you.

 

So you really weren't being truthful when you said:

You really did insult me without being insulted first.

 

Probably that's because atheism is basically an 'anti' position. In some, it borders on being an aggressive position too. It gets it's impetus purely through denial. In extreme cases, this extends to condemning the valid experience of others as mere 'insanity'.

However, this tendency to anger is unfortunately also a feature of many religious people when their views come under attack. I guess one difference is that the believer can tell him/herself that it's 'righteous anger', whereas the poor old atheist doesn't have anything to fall back on but irritation of the ego.

 

Very interesting and a much better answer than I deserved.

I was just kind of making a aside to some of the "religious people" that normally discuss these matters and seldom if ever get upset by the discussions. Whereas it seems that almost all of the atheists that join these discussions seem to be unable to do so without insults and anger.

 

How is that possible, in this thread, when the first thing you say was "Atheist don't want to accept evidence?"

Show me how it is possible for people to insult you when you haven't said anything in the thread?

Remember, the FIRST THING you SAID was an insult. Mine was a reaction to your insult.

Death is near my friend, let us both recognize our deepest truths and live accordingly.

 

How then did Jesus not speak out against slavery.

Having spent thousands of hours in xian churches, I have a strong opinion on this... quite simply, jesus was the god of slavery, torture, brutality, murder, and burning blacks alive on a stake. It's who he was. It's who xians were/are.

Just my opinion, and I'm holding back a lot here, but... because, quite simply, that JC creep, if he even existed, was by all accounts not a nice guy. His nightmarish advocacy of the most horrific mass violence (eternal torture in the fires of hell- that was his idea, what kind of sick fsck dreams that up) make him among the most evil entities ever invented. It kind of pisses me off that the prince of eternal torture in the fires of hell is given some sort of respect in our society. As if worshipping the bastard torture god by ritual cannibalism/vampirism "communion" somehow works magic.

It's jesus that threatens to burn my ass in hellfire for all eternity just for not being a groveling little bitch... and I guess I don't take well to threats of physical violence. What an obscene excuse for a religion.

Of course jesus was the bastardgod of slavery, what else could one expect? So many xians, so few lions... so yeah jesus and the bullwhip used on the slave, they both came from the hand of "gawwwwd."

Just my opinion though, I'm sure somene can disprove it all with... dubious quotes from some mythological goat F'er.

 

The irony is that this is insulting to people who believe the bible is the word of god, yet not one sinly verse is untrue.

God does want you to believe in him, he commands it. Otherwise punishment is his answer for it, a horrid, horrid punishment of the worst kind imaginable.

I realize that most Christians don't really buy into the idea of hell and are so terrified that they never enter into the discussion.

The fundamentalists seem to recognize this fear and roll with it, though subconciously it is a driving force behind most Christians in my POV.

I suspect it is.

 

This whole post is just a bold faced lie and an unjustified insult.




This is exactly what I said in my first post:

Please show me where in this post I said;

You can't because it is just not there and since I have never discussed this subject with you before, I wasn't even talking about you not accepting what is said, because at the time I didn't know if you would listen or not.

 

Do you know what paraphrasing means?

Man, honestly what level of education do you have??

Either way, when you say something like "no matter what I say others will still believe what is incorrect" you imply that people are being dishonest and that they are not accepting evidence. Secondly, obviously you argue against atheists on this matter right? And let me guess they don't agree with you??

This I why I paraphrased you as basically saying that atheists don't accept evidence.

Look, making generalizations with negative connotations like this, will insult people, especially in places like these where there are two distinct opposing groups.

Personally, your comment was unnecessary. If you feel like you aren't in a fair debate because other people don't take what you say(your evidence) into account honestly and with integrity, you should just leave. Otherwise, keep your personal experiences out of it if you plan on ensuring that you don't insult people!!!!!

 

Yes I do but paraphrasing is not put in quotation marks, that have the meaning of a direct quote and not that it is a paraphrase.

Obviously, a whole lot more than you.

I'm implying merely that "Having discussed this subject with others I realize that no matter what is said, some will still believe that God and the Bible support slavery." and that is just a statement of fact.

And couldn't help but notice the "paraphrase" (lie?) that you once again put in quotations marks, implying that this is what I said, is not what I said.

The problem is that your "paraphrase" (lie?) does not take into consideration that I was not talking about atheists, I wasn't even talking about you. I actually had in mind some discussions I have had with some who call themselves Christian.

Look, if you were actually paying attention, rather than just assuming that you already know what was being said, you would have seen that there are not "two distinct opposing groups" but several different groups with varying degrees of opposition.

Honestly, I thought you were the one who said he was leaving but it seems you where just giving us false hopes.

 

hahaha - yeahhh right.

I find that insulting for an opening statement. Why mention your own personal remarks anyways, what are you trying to insinuate?? Nothing, meh, I think your the one who is lying, you know full well you were trying to insinuate that if I disagreed with you its because I am biased and won't accept evidence.

Regardless, when arguing the point what good does it do to snicker and say a bitter expectation that we won't be convinced because we won't accept the evidence and are in denial of gods greatness??

Please, spare me your nonsense and I won't get angry. /B]

Incorrect again. You didn't even understand what I said, I was showing how it is rational to take your statement as Atheists don't accept evidence no matter what is presented to them.

You would be so arrogant so as to think that you can possibly speak on behalf of how others feel. You have to be crazy to believe that a person like you could possibly speak for everyone on this forum/thread!!!!

ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HOW OTHERS FEEL ARE CLINICALLY INSANE.

Obvious, still I was talking about majority of people. The majority of people here will be believing either that Jesus condoned slavery or that he didn't. When in such groups you should be extra careful with MAKING ANY GENERALIZATIONS AT ALL THAT MIGHT BE TAKEN AS AN INSULT. For example, I don't go into a mall and start saying that Adam's son committed incest with his nieces/daughter. Regardless if whether or not it is true, it will offend people because most people have no clue what the bible says on that matter yet still believe in that. You get it?? Anything that is over-generalized, can and will be taken as an insult in this type of debate.

 

Yes, right and it obvious.

Anyone who doesn't know that quotation marks mean that you are making a direct, word for word quote of something that has been said and not something you've paraphrased, can't be very educated.

Some people are easily insulted.

All my remarks are personal remarks, what it to you ?

Well, I as I explained I wasn't even thinking of you when I said it but at this point it's beginning to seem like that it does apply to you.

Snicker? Bitter? Denial of gods greatness?
Once again, here is what I said:

Perhaps you can point out the snicker, the bitterness and the mention of denial of gods greatness? or is this just more of your "paraphrasing"?

I been putting up with all your nonsense and have not gotten angry or even upset.

No, it was not rational. As I pointed out, you jumped to a conclusion that has no basis in fact.

Get a life.

I didn't go into a mall and make any statement.

Supposedly I entered a thread of "adults", who are here to discuss a somewhat controversial topic and it would seem that an "adult" would realize in such a forum, things very well may be said that he might find upsetting and be prepared.

I was even prepared for all these personal insults you have heaped on me and do not find them upsetting, just pointless. They do not advance your argument and only serve to show, that what you believe seems to have made you a very bitter and angry person.

 

Jeez, this is amazing! Five days later, and you're still here! Just can't tear yourself away? I think if you can get past the educational oneupsmanship and stick to facts and logic, we (you and anybody else who thinks it would be worthwhile) could have an interesting discussion--although I think you've shot your wad on the slavery issue. You made some good points before you degenerated into put downs.