Cancer treatment with cannabis oil

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  1. skip

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    I just read an article in Treating Yourself magazine about decarboxylating weed for use in edibles and pills. I did not agree with them, in fact they contradicted themselves by saying you get more useful cannabinoids out of it, but then admitting you lose 30-35% of the cannabinoids when heated to decarboxylate.

    In fact, they said you can reuse the weed that has been used in a vaporizer, in edibles. First of all I believe that such weed would taste far worse, and secondly it's already lost much of the cannabinoids. I'm all for recycling, but I've NEVER FOUND THAT HEATING CANNABIS IS NECESSARY before ingestion.

    The first time I ate cannabis, I took about half a gram of hashish and just ate it raw. Not cooked, not heated, nothing. And it zonked me out pretty good. Perhaps some cannabinoids weren't "activated", but it's my understanding that ingested cannabis all turns into the same cannabinoid no matter what it's original proportions of cannabinoids were. Is that incorrect?

    And I would agree that the "natural balance" of cannabinoids would be preferable. But I think the article I read was trying to extract CBDs more than THC, but even that was unclear. I thought CBDs & THC all turned into the same metabolite when eaten.
     
  2. ChronicTom

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    I think so, but that is based on things like this that I don't fully understand... lol

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567576905002882
     
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    Well I assume that it's not necessary to "pre-activate" cannabinoids because digesting them activates them, imo. You've got digestive juices that break down oils just fine, so they should likewise be able to digest and process cannabis. I've only heard of one type of cannabinoid metabolite occuring as a result of eating cannabis, and that is the decarboxylate, I think.

    Boy this is confusing for sure.

    It seems ppl writing about it are confused, or unable to keep their facts straight, or unable to reach correct conclusions based on the facts, or we still don't know enough facts...
     
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    me either..
     
  5. ChronicTom

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    Its this reason that the whole subject is so fucking annoying... more in regards to the establishment medical system.

    In all likelyhood, I will end up refusing most conventional treatments... I will definitly be refusing chemo and radiation.

    And I will be injesting oil made as rick makes it (regardless of what other papers I read...lol)...

    If they were truly interested in people's health, and finding out the truth, they would simply make sure that I get monitored frequently and see what happens. No need for approvals or 'test' cases or anything... I am going to do this regardless of what they do... why not take advantage of it to learn the facts?

    That they don't, and in fact, once you start talking about alternatives, are less likely to schedule you for tests and such (you gave up after all), meaning that true or not, the issue remains 'unproven' to them...

    They can claim to care and show sympathy all they want... as long as they refuse to consider any other possibilites, they are doing more harm then good.
     
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    Oh, and the studies didn't show that it had to be heated, only that doing do makes the buzz last longer.... Can't remember which one I got that from but its one of the ones I posted earlier...

    There is of course the other side in which someone points out that doing that (heating it), will also caused some of the thc to convert to cbd (or whatever)...

    If there were three of me, I'd try ricks method with both naptha and ether, as well as bho... but seems there isn't, I am pretty much going to stick with what he says.
     
  7. jo_k_er_man

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    I know people who have done this with great success.. and the taste difference isn't really there.. the thing is though.. you're not gonna use an 1/8th, 1/2 or Oz of vaped weed to make butter for edibles.. you are gonna use multiple ounces..
     
  8. ChronicTom

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    So, here is something I find amazing... The head of one of the larger 'compassion' clubs in canada is coming out against rick simpson.

    Not on the basis of facts, or results, but on the basis that there is 'something fishy' about Rick Simpson.

    What will likely be my last post in their forums;
    Someone who says to you... I feel bad for you, let me help you, send xxx amount of dollars... IS LYING TO YOU....

    They don't care about you or your health, they care about making money.

    Rick Simpson, not only doesn't (and hasn't) sold any oil or information about any of this, he has publicly came out against anyone who does.

    I would like to say that I am not surprised by the stance that this 'compassion' club has taken, but I am.

    For some, compassion only starts in the pocketbook.
     
  9. Kinky Ramona

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    Sorry to join so late in the conversation, but I had to reply to the post on the second page in which you said the response you get most often is chemo and radiation works and you should give it a shot...

    BULLSHIT. Yes, I have known three people who have survived cancer and chemo and radiation and are still cancer-free (one for only about two years, one for about 4, and one who only did radiation has been cancer-free for 10 years). One was 15 when he was diagnosed and about 19 when he kicked it, I don't care for him too much, though, so I don't know how he's doing these days. The other was in her 30s and chemo and radiation tore her apart. She now has terrible irritable bowel syndrome which may or may not be a result of the location of the cancer, the surgeries to remove the cancer, or the radiation. All we know is she sure didn't have it pre-cancer. Her immune system is shit now and she had the swine flu when it was going around ontop of pneumonia. The chemo and radiation killed the bad cells, yes, but it also killed her good cells and even though she probably won't die of cancer anytime soon, she will be plagued with the effects from the chemo and radiation for the rest of her life. The one who's been cancer-free for 10 years was 16 when he was diagnosed with very beginning stages of melanoma on his neck, a few doses of radiation and it was gone. But he was 16 and they caught it very very early.

    I also know of a guy who was in his late 40's when he was diagnosed with leukemia and died the very first round of chemo he ever received. Just as soon as they started the IV drip, boom, dead. Yeah...he may be the only one I've ever known to react so quickly to it, but those are still odds I wouldn't want to fuck with if there were other options out there. My grandpa had cancer in his kidneys and bladder and battled it for years. He still had it when he died, though cardiac arrest was his official cause of death.

    My grandma was diagnosed with cancer when she was in her 40s. This was in the 60s when cancer was normally a death sentence. They put her on opium and she just turned 87 the other day. Now I know cannabis and opium are two different plants with two different results, but for the life of me I just don't understand why the government is just blatantly ignoring medicine that truly works? It can't be because "it can get you high" because look at all the mind-numbing, zombie-inducing pills they push out every day for everything from depression to chronic pain! We are working for this government (the US anyway) to help pay their debts to other countries, so wouldn't you think it would be in their best interest to legalize medicines that work? This whole topic just makes me so angry because I just don't understand how people can just stick their fingers in their ears and sing, "LALALALALA!" when someone very well could have found the cure for cancer!
     
  10. ChronicTom

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    It's funny... when I look around for people to get mad at about this... it isn't the government itself, or even the medical profession... let's face it... it is silly to assume they would ever do anything that would put themselves out of work.

    Even all their research and trials and so forth, havent resulted in slowing the increase in cancer victims... they have gained monumental reams of information about some treatments of the symptoms of the disease... removing tumors, pumping chemicals in and blasting it with radiaton and so on, but very little in the way of how to stop or slow the actually progression or increase of it in healthy terms. They spend a decade or so getting it pummeled into their heads that the path the system is on is the right one and needs all the focus it can get.

    That is to be expected... organizations and associations of any type are by their very nature first and foremost concerned about continuing their existence.

    What makes me mad.... and I mean downright pissed right off, is when people who either have the disease or loves someone who does, doesn't do everything in their power to find out what all the options are, and just religiously adheres to 'follow the system, they are experts' or worse yet, discount it without even checking it out.

    Another example would be someone who goes on about thier opinion of rick simpson (supposedly based on meeting him) as "being full of shit and no matter how much someone wishes it, no amount of smoking oil is going to help cancer"...

    Anyone who has read anything by Rick Simpson about this, or watched any of his videos would quickly discover that he doesn't advocate smoking it to cure cancer (although he isn't against smoking it)... it is to be injested and used as a topical cream in some cases. He quite clearly says many times in many ways, that he is not telling people to smoke either weed or oil to cure anything.

    If someone doesn't have the sense to at least research it thoroughly first, they shouldn't be trying to put it down.

    Yes, I am a stoner, and yes, I have always been the type who would prefer herbal over synthesized, but this is my fucking life on the line.

    If I thought that they could save my life and make me live for another 50 years without wishing I was dead... I would jump at the chance... fuck if they wanted to replace all my body with a mix of nuclear waste water and turpentine and I will be able to continue living withouth wishing I was dead, I would do it...

    I do really like being alive and capable of functioning after all...

    Therefore, I looked (and am still looking) at information about all alternatives, including different forms of chemo and radiation, clinical trials, alteranatives... fuck, you know someone into voodoo? give them a chicken for me and ask for some help...

    But when it comes down to it, the evidence I can find says that chemo and radiation cause more harm then good, and that at least anecdotally, hemp oil has a much higher success rate then anything seems to...

    I have read and watched hundreds of videos and sites and talked to people about this (and pretty much nothing else, I have likely even driven some people away because its all I want to talk about... lol) and for every one person who tells a story of, "well my friend/lover/cousin tried hemp oil and died anyway", there are a hundred or more of the opposite kind. Including many of the, "my doctors told me to go home and die, which would be in a month or two, and here I am years later still using hemp oil...

    This could simply be because most people who use it whom it doesnt help are dead and can't talk about... I don't know.... but according to everything I can find, this is something I am quite confident about helping me.

    I don't base that on hope or even a bias towards liking weed.... I base that on evidence that I can find.

    The fact that the established medical profession doesn't even want to discuss it.... that just firms my belief that they doing what they think is best for them, and not for me.
     
  11. Steve_Dave

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    read about your illness,just woke up from a couma so it hit home,have blinky kidneys that hurt alot and my health problemms scratched my plans to go over seas & make some big bucks,after I spent alot of time and money.my life has more unintentional drhama than a bad soap opera. I still have a shot just like your self tom.my new goal is to get a job with good insurance and possibly start growing again.I still know some brokers but am not in a medical state,so...very precariouse...not to mention every one I know thinks it's evil to smoke even though they commit every sin in the book. lifs a bitch and where all going to die so take care of yourself tom.reminds me of some banter.....got a ciggaret...need a ciggaret give one if you got one ...take one if you need one...surveys say 100% of non smokers die anyway!
     
  12. ChronicTom

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    On the matter of decarboxylation

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dl613gGprE
     
  13. Steve_Dave

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    AGS, DCA, & B17 are your best bets tom. Atleast look up the acronyms...
     
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