Tripoli Libya Bloodbath - Where is Gaddafi?

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    Libya had free health care and free education (all funded by state oil profits). The USA has the largest prison population on the planet... Something like 2 and a half million? Tell me again which ones are the dictators? With leaders chosen from the same 2 political parties who amazingly share a very broad general social view AND who are often interrelated, sometimes directly. Remind me again who has the autocratic dynasty?

    Worse Than Iraq - Lies of the Libyan War -By THOMAS MOUNTAIN
    http://counterpunch.org/mounta...
    "... After three months on the ground in rebel controlled territory, the Amnesty investigator could only confirm 110 deaths in Benghazi which included Gadaffi supporters. Only 110 dead in Benghazi? Wait a minute, we were told thousands had died there, ten thousand even. No, only 110 lost their lives including pro-government people.

    No rapes, no African mercenaries, no helicopter gun ships or bombers, and only 110 ten deaths prior to the launch of the NATO bombing campaign, every reason was based on a lie.

    Today according to the Libyan Red Crescent Society, over 1,100 civilians have been killed by NATO bombs including over 400 women and children. Over 6,000 Libyan civilians have been injured or wounded by the bombing, many very seriously. ..."

    Remember the Kuwaiti Incubators! - Those Libyan Atrocities: Do They Really Stand Up? By PATRICK COCKBURN
    http://www.counterpunch.org/pa...
    "... No doubt individual rapes have occurred. Most famously, Iman al-Obeidi burst into a foreign journalists' hotel in Tripoli on 26 March and gave a credible account of how she had been raped by pro-Gaddafi security men, before she was hustled away. But, despite the ICC allegations, so far Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have not found evidence of such mass government-ordered rape despite extensive investigations. Diana Eltahawy, Amnesty International's Libya expert, told me that Amnesty researchers in Libya had found no evidence of such a policy.
    Could women be keeping quiet about what had happened to them for reasons of shame or fear of being killed to preserve "family honour"? Ms Eltahawy says: "We spoke to women, without anybody else there, all across Libya, including Misrata and on the Tunisia-Libya border. None of them knew of anybody who had been raped. We also spoke to many doctors and psychologists with the same result." Liesel Gerntholtz, head of women's rights at Human Rights Watch, which has also been investigating the charges of mass rape, says: "We have not been able to find evidence. We have not been able to verify it." She emphasized that her group's researches were ongoing. ..."

    The Perils of Insubordination - Why Regime Change in Libya? By ISMAEL HOSSEIN-ZADEH
    " ... There is undeniable evidence that contrary to the spontaneous, unarmed
    and peaceful protest demonstrations in Egypt, Tunisia and Bahrain, the
    rebellion in Libya has been nurtured, armed and orchestrated largely
    from abroad, in collaboration with expat opposition groups and their
    local allies at home. Indeed, evidence shows that plans of "regime
    change" in Libya were drawn long before the insurgency actually started
    in Benghazi; it has all the hallmarks of a well-orchestrated civil war.
    ... ...
    So, the answer to the question "why the imperialist powers want to do away with Gaddafi" has to go beyond oil, or the laughable "humanitarian concerns." Perhaps the question can be answered best in the light of the following questions: why do these imperialist powers also want to overthrow Hugo Cavez of Venezuela, Fidel Castro (and/or his successors) of Cuba, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, Rafael Correa Delgado of Ecuador, Kim Jong-il of North Korea, Bashar Al-assad of Syria and Evo Morales of Bolivia? Or, why did they overthrow Mohammad Mossadeq of Iran, Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala, Kusno Sukarno of Indonesia, Salvador Allende of Chile, Sandinistas in Nicaragua, Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Haiti and Manuel Zelaya in Honduras?

    What does Gaddafi have in common with these nationalist/populist leaders? The question is of course rhetorical and the answer is obvious: like them Gaddafi is guilty of insubordination to the proverbial godfather of the world: US imperialism, and its allies. Like them, he has committed the cardinal sin of challenging the unbridled reign of global capital, of not following the economic "guidelines" of the captains of global finance, that is, of the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and World Trade Organization; as well as of refusing to join US military alliances in the region. Also like other nationalist/populist leaders, he advocates social safety net (or welfare state) programs—not for giant corporations, as is the case in imperialist countries, but for the people in need. ..."

    African Union Statement on the NATO Invasion of Libya - It's Time to End the Bombing and Find a Political Solution in Libya By Dr. RUHAKANA RUGUNDA
    http://www.counterpunch.org/ru...
     
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    NATO slaughter in Tripoli
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26118

    massive NATO bombings
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26119
     
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    Libya and the end of western illusions
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26084

     
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    Gadaffi has gone too far. IMHO, with all the chaos happening in Libya, he should have the guts to step down. Everyday, number of civilians who gets killed is increasing. My heart goes to the family, children who have been affected by this.
     
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    Oh you understood the message corporate mass media gives you round the clock:mickey:
     
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    Its all about banking and oil, again

     
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    I did hear Saif Gaddafi threaten to massacre the citizens of Benghazi for rebelling. That is what supposedly got NATO and the US to get fully engaged in the rebel cause. Let's not forget that.

    Also those who claim Libya is well off, need to realize only certain Libyans (those from tribes friendly to Gaddafi) are well off. In Benghazi, the people were treated second class, with absolutely no political voice. And the lack of democratic institutions does not make for a great country.

    Of course the western countries are only after the oil. BP couldn't even wait for the rebellion to end before demanding they be let back in to the country to search for more oil. Even China is behind the rebels, knowing full well that without Gaddafi they may get more of a foothold in Libya's oil.

    But yes, I fear the possibility that Libya was going to price oil in something other than dollars is another factor in NATOs and the US response. Saddam was going to do the same, right before the US invaded Iraq. Protect the dollar, grab the oil. That's what it's all about.
     
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    CNN's Jim Clancy just said that whenever he saw Gaddafi, he appeared to be on drugs, with bloodshot eyes. So is Gaddafi a stoner? He always acts so weird. What other drug(s) could he be on? He could just be drunk, I suppose, but being a good muslim (yeah right!), that would be wrong...

    He always rambles when he speaks, sometimes for hours.

    And I found it very curious when he accused the rebels of being on drugs.
     
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    HE is not the one killing civilians. Look at the reality of the campaigns NATO wages against these sorts of countries: Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance, are still embroiled in fighting and blowing each other up type behaviour. NATO's tactic is to destabilize these countries in order to suck up all the oil and have plenty of damage to repair (which they also make a lot of money from). Over 8 years, 8 FUCKING years in Iraq and Afghanistan will have its 10 YEAR INVASION ANNIVERSARY in October this year. And all the while civilians are getting blown the fuck up and/or shredded by bullets. WITH OR WITHOUT THEIR "TYRANTS".

    Now, replace "Gadaffi" with "NATO" and your statement would have some worth.
     
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    Did you see recorded video footage in English? Perhaps he said something more like "You rebels will be massacred if you harm our citizens" and it was translated in a rather ambiguous fashion? Ahmedinijad seems to be on the historical records saying he wanted to "wipe Israel off the face of the map" but there is no true footage of him saying that, that was just the translation we were given.

    Yes, the hallucinagenic drugs statement was quite odd but I don't speak Arabic so I'm not sure what he actually said.

    Out of interest, do you speak Arabic? How many Gadhafi speeches/broadcasts have you heard? I have not heard very many but most of the ones I have were not full of rambling.

    And he's blatantly a stoner, look at his fucking clothes ffs.
     
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    An interesting, if a little dated, video about mainly US strategy in the middle east. Check out all those bases!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkFY92IBU8"]Part 1, Chessboard of the Middle East (Geography and 9-11) - YouTube


    I just can't believe this shit. Another sovereign nation and its ruler gone, just like that. While we in the West suckle at the teat of the TV and newspapers, revelling in our brand of twisted justice.

    The ignorance in this world sickens me.
     
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    Nice vid, its just crazy how they have encircled Iran so far.
     
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    I got it figured out - Gaddafi is under the Rixos hotel in a special bunker. That's why the hotel is being so heavily defended and why the reporters can't leave. They are hostages now.

    Meanwhile NATO has completely flattened Gaddafi's compound, and left some big holes too, no doubt. There are supposed to be hundreds of miles of tunnels under Tripoli stocked with supplies for Gaddafi. So he can hide under the hotel for a long time.
     
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    Tha fuck did Gaddafi and the Lybian people do to deserve the fate of western economic imperialism?
     
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    He kept things like banking and oil industry for the nation and didnt let international corporations exploit the country.
     
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    They are brown and didn't accept "help" from the IMF.

    The book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" springs to mind.
     
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    Vids vids vids...

    Rebels firing indiscriminately and targeting press?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3X9NV4pfI&NR=1"]Tripoli inside report: 'Snipers target reporters, NATO bombs falling' - YouTube

    Note "The masses in Tripoli have been armed by the Libyan government" which to me would explain how they can broadcast so much footage of smiling chanting Libyans with automatic weapons across all the networks:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SifGPkmEc4I&feature=relmfu"]Rebels enter Tripoli as Gaddafi urges Libyans to take up arms - YouTube

    Quiet streets... WTF? That's not right, is it? IS IT??? More sniper activity... The comments on videos like this are increasingly becoming more anti-NATO, looks like people are well and truly waking up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dNVuaPtoNA&feature=relmfu"]Toppling Tripoli: 'Gaddafi plans massive counter-attack' - YouTube


    A city of 1.7 million people armed by their government overthrown in one day (according to western media)???? Are we fucking stupid????? Would a government arm its people if there was a major revolutionary uprising going on? No, but they would if they were being invaded. Western air forces bomb the shit out of anything and helicoptors clear the streets at night so the "rebels" can charge in and get slaughtered by Libyan army and civilians alike. The rebels are surely just pawns of NATO.
     
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    So there's a new constitution drawn up for Libya. It's based on Sharia law! Good goin' NATO! We have a new Islamic state, where before there was none.
     
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