All your reasons why being left wing is so much better than being conservative.

I am left-wing. Maybe even radical.
I would like to know all the things you don't tolerate in conservatives.
Cheers!

 

That they are selfish pricks?

 

We all know that.. give me something more

 

TBH most conservative policies can be summed up like that.

I'd like to say the way that they use fear as means of social control, but sadly they are not alone.

 

its true... sadly...

 

Most governments need some form of social control... We can see that with Stalin for example..
you ideal leader/ government form?

 

Anarchy.

 

Appologies to the mods if I'm not allowed to post links, but this is well worth a read.

Fighting for our lives

 

Wow, nice stuff. Got it before they'll take it out. if they ever do. Long live Anarchy

 

A good friend of mine and I engaged in good natured political debate for a couple of years. He's a conservative, I'm presumably left wing. One day while debating we realized we believed the exact same thing.

I think of political ideology not as a line but as a circle, with the fringe of both sides meeting on the other side of the middle. The only way either side can be successful is to find their common ground (limited government control, for example) and fight against the centrists that are fucking everything up for everyone.

 

Hmmm...hate to bring it up as it's over done on the net, but you're aware of the idea of the idea of the political compass aren't you?

Left and Right wing over simply things. You can both right and left winger who arn't in favour of much goverement control (anarchists, free market capitalists) and those who are (fascists and hard line commies), but they'll still disagree on plenty.

 

at the end of the day its just a label tossed around by politicians to create differences where none exist, or to make people think the differences that do exist actually matter.

 

okay fine man.... im happy for you and you friend!
but... don't tell me a leftist can agree with someone who supports abortion.. the patriot act.. the death penalty or is agaisnt gay marriage.. maybe you can
but i can't

 

Actually in economic terms none of those are left/right issues which shows how crap the labels are. They are to do with personal freedom.

 

Those things are also called wedge issues. They're issues brought up every election cycle to make people think they're completely different from their neighbor, when in fact....it doesn't fucking matter.

Abortion was decided in the Supreme Court in the 1970s. Its highly unlikely that ruling will ever be overturned, therefore it doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is. Its legal to get an abortion in the states and it will remain that way.

I don't think the Patriot Act is a good example. What normal person agrees with the Patriot Act? The only people that agree with the Patriot Act are the politicians that pushed it through. And possibly some shady, monolithic organization of rich people bent on world power....if you're into conspiracy theories.

Gay marriage is admittedly more of a topical issue, but like globalstoner said, thats an issue of personal freedom. It has nothing to do with labels. Conservatives should theoretically be all about gay marriage because they theoretically should be all about personal freedom and limited government. The fact that they are not proves how useless the labels really are.

 

Most(it seems) conservatives believe in strict Darwinism--that is survival of the fittest. Leads to what I would consider immorality=no social conscience regarding those less fit to compete in a capitalist society. They usually seem to have a real disdain for the people that use any government program that is helpfull to those that may need some help. They will try and kill anything that helps middle and poor classes. They're afraid of and dislike any program that doesn't benefit them and/or their cronies. Anything that helps "someone else " and not them ,is that scary word--SOCIALISM.

 

In the US and the UK we don't really have a true left alternative, just different flavours of neo-liberalism, although the US is more to the right then we are.

God I fear for our NHS and the Welfare State. I for one would happily pay more taxes to keep these.

 

Many of them want "government off my back" such as the farmers that collect the welfare checks when their crops fail.

 

i live neither in the Us nor in the UK
i just know... right wing people... are a lost hope