All your reasons why being left wing is so much better than being conservative.

Discussion in 'Communism' started by Nenno, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Nenno

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    If you believe that the death penalty is the correct form of justice, or if you think that homosexuals shouldn't have rights, we are not the same. I'm not talking what it is in the law books, yes abortion is legal, but what do conservatives think?
    No man, "we" are not the same.
     
  2. Global Stoner

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    Indeed it's used a smoke screen for the real issues, like why the rich continue to get richer whilst the poor get poorer and an aggressive foreign policy (lets keep waving those flags now). Goodness help we should have real opposition.

    Nenno where you from if you don't mind me asking?
     
  3. Meliai

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    The only way to overcome anything is to focus on similiarities, not differences. I don't know where you're from, but I know part of the reason America has fallen so much in the last few years is because the media successfully manipulated normal people into thinking there was something wrong with their friends and family simply because they went a different way politically.

    I'm tired of it. I'm really tired of that political climate. The words: liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, red, blue, etc...they all make me cringe.
     
  4. Global Stoner

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    But plenty on left believe this as well and plenty on the right are opposed.
     
  5. Nenno

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    No man not at all. And I totally agree with you. I am italian, although i livein morocco, and i have lived in brazil and india also.
    You?
     
  6. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    And this has gotten worse and worse ever since Nixon. The right has become sneaky with their dirty tricks,outright lying and their continued looting of the middle and poor classes. Not to mention the 24/7 blabbers that will say anything against any progressive policies and are basically the voices of the republican party.
     
  7. Global Stoner

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    British, although I have been to both India and Morocco.
     
  8. Nenno

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    cool bro.
    glad to see my "first" thread was sucsessful
     
  9. roamy

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    their boring
     
  10. MellowViper

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    I'm actually a left wing conservative. I believe in advancing the well being of the lower classes, but I don't believe in upsetting the apple cart too much. I'm a conservative in the truest sense of the word, in that I don't want to disturb the status quo (conservation) too much in a way that would cause social instability and decay. I think the well being of people is more important than implementing ideology, whether left wing or right wing.
     
  11. Capt Morgan

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    I believe when you pay people to sit on their asses and watch TV all day, most will sit on the ass and watch TV all day. In the United States the poor have just as much right as the rich to earn more money, but they have to make an effort to do so. Is corporate greed a bad thing, perhaps, but remember that while those corporations are making all that money, they in turn are providing jobs to others. If you take politics out of the mix, you will soon realize that human nature is what governs the economy. Those who work hardest, invest the most, and don't give up, make the most money. I, for one, do not mind helping those who truly need help, but I will be damned if I want the government to take money that I have worked hard for and give it to people who are too lazy to earn a living. I see it first hand nearly every day. It's disgusting and disgraceful.
     
  12. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    I have one reason and it's a pretty damned good reason:

    The conservative right is based on this one single and pervasive myth, and that is the "American Dream". It's bullshit, but it's kind of genius in a sociopathic way. The right would have people believe (and they do have people who believe, a lot of poor, misguided and gullible people) that anyone in America has the potential to rise into the the middle class, or rise from the middle class into the elite class, with hard work, fair play and persistance. In fact, they want people to believe that the possibility exists for everyone to work their way out of poverty, debt slavery and/or wage slavery. Here's the kicker - this nation's prosperity is, and has always been, entirely dependent on the existence of poor people - in fact, it could not exist at all if the vast of majority of this nation's citizens were not poor - and by poor, I mean vastly economically powerless, when compared to the ruling elite - and make no mistake, there is a ruling class of elites, a tiny minority that owns a stunning majority of this nation's wealth - not by their own efforts, but through inheritance and nepotism. You could literally count the number of truly self-made billionaires on both hands and have fingers left over, and let me assure you, that they didn't get that kind of wealth by adhering to the same laws that you and I are subject to.

    Here's the thing about democrats and republicans - the "leaders" that get placed before us from either party are all suckling at the same corporate/banking tit. You don't get to any level of real power and influence in this nation without suckling at the corporate/banking tit. You get to feel all warm an fuzzy by having the illusion of choice placed before you, but it's that and nothing more - an illusion. This nation is not a democracy, it's a mockery of democracy. This nation isn't even a representative republic - for that you'd have representatives who actually represent the interests of the majority of people who vote them into office. They don't - not even at the state level.

    Now here's the genius of the republican party: They appeal to the wealthy and the middle class, and even the working poor, because they have successfully sold the mythology of the "American Dream" to all three. The middle class has historically aspired to join the wealthy elite, so they are reluctant to support a party that would challenge the absolutely absurd premise that the working poor and the middle class should carry the majority of the tax burden in this country (and they do, and if anyone tries to tell you otherwise, they are a lying to you). The working poor are in denial about how poor they really are, and lets face it, they're too damned tired and busy to really step back, take a look at the big picture and investigate the real reason their lives are short and miserable - besides, they've got Faux News there to channel and misdirect their frustations and do all their thinking for them. There's a reason Faux News came into existence and subsequent prominence when it did, and it was no accident. There's a reason the Tea Party came into existence and subsequent prominence and it was not accident - it had nothing to do with President Obama's presidency. It had everything to do with distracting the entire nation from the financial cartel's unprecedented land and wealth grab. What you're witnessing today is a banking/corporate coup. The final stages of this nations transition from a representative republic into a plutocracy. I believe in social justic. I believe it's the government's job to police private industries and private interests and protect the rights and interests of the citizens from these industries and interests. That's one of cornerstones of the democratic party - democracy. So I consider myself a liberal, because to me liberal means freedom and liberty. That idea no longer exists in any real way where it matters, and where it can achieve any real results in the United States government, because the United States government no longer (and perhaps it never really did) exists to serve and protect the rights, safety and interests of the vast majority of its citizens. It cannot as long as it's lawmakers, judges, officials and administrators answer to the highest bidder.

    Now a word or two about "dead beats". There exists in this country a subset of people who live in such abject poverty and have for so long, generation after generation, that hopelessness and criminal activity are salient features of their very identities. They fill our housing projects, our trailer parks and strain our criminal justice system because there is truly no realistic opportunity, no viable avenue or tools for them to them to transcend their poverty. Yes there are rare exceptions, but when you are born into a culture of poverty, and your are educated in a culture of poverty, and you are raised in a family of poverty, and you are forced to live in an environment of poverty - the deck will always be stacked against you. Why should there be "poor" elementary and highschools in this country? Why should a public elementary or highschool in an affluent neighborhood offer a better education and a higher level of academics than a public elementary or highschool in a poverty stricken neighborhood? Why should a poor student have any less opportunity to attend and be academically prepared to attend a university than a middle class or wealthy student? We can force criminals to attend jails and prisons, but we can't force every child to attend school and achieve literacy? No. We run our schools on a business model. The best teachers work in the schools in the wealthiest neighborhoods, with best resources and more importantly the highest expectations of achievement.

    Wealth begets wealth. Let the poor kids get their GED and work at McDonalds, because we need people to work at McDonalds. We need poor people doing poor jobs for poor wages with no benefits, to eat poor food and have poor health and live in poor places. We need obesity, diabetis and heart disease Why? Because the pharmaceutical cartel needs to sell insulin and warfarin. Because Walmart needs to sell the cheap, plastic crap that gets made in its sweatshops with child labor in southeast asia. Because McDonalds needs to sell its nutrient poor food and the government subsidized farmers (who always vote republican) need to sell their corn syrup and corn fed beef. Because the government subsidized Corporations that profit from building and running prisons need poor people to fill up their prisons so they can build more and make huge profits. Conservatives will condemn citizen wellfare out one side of their mouths and suck at the tit of Wal-Mart, McDonalds and the prison-industrial complex with the other. It's only socialism if you redistribute the wealth to the poor - it's business friendly when you redistribute the wealth to big ag, big banks, big energy, big pharma and the military-industrial complex. Because, afterall, corporations are people and poverty is very profitable.
     
  13. OF2

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    I hate that conservatives give 700% more to charity than liberal demos. I also hate the hard work ethic and sence of family they have. I hate the fact that some of them work two or more jobs and don't look to the government for handouts.

    The bastards.
     
  14. dazedgatsby

    dazedgatsby shitheel

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    Honestly, you sound like a self righteous douche.

    :)
     
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    The right wing is great and of course they favor the wealthy and middle class because they work hard and earned what they accomplished while the poor do nothing. The wealthy and middle class get taxed then out of the ass and are supporting these people who won't go look for a job. Some people really do need help or assistance. The big corporations should be taxed more they make more money than anybody.
     
  16. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    This post has about as much basis in fact as the myth. Conservatives love their fantasy.
     
  17. OF2

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    I'm not a conservative, I'm independent.
    It's true that republicans give to charity seven times more than democrats. The fantasy is you think demos are any better or any less coupable than the republicans for the mess this country is in.
     
  18. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    Amen!
     
  19. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    Amen!

    Anarchy in the u.s.&.
     
  20. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    It's true because you say it is? I'd like a verifiable source - or you're just making shit up, like Faux News. Also, you're right - there is rampant corruption on both sides of the aisle - no doubt about it. Now ask yourself which party has made it's primary objective to privatize the operation and function of this government - which is at the very root of all this corruption - all under the clever ruse of being "business friendly". I'm glad you're an independent, but there's nothing "independent" about calling yourself an "independent" while clinging to a political ideology that has done nothing but put the fate of this nation into the hands of privateers.
     

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