Being a christian and gay

the mistake that we make is pretending to understand it.

 

I don't know if a person can change their sexuality; some say yes, some say no but the point is how much do you love God and his Son, Jesus?

The Bible does not tell you to change your sexuality, it asks that you no longer have sex with a person of the same sex, just like it tells you not to have sex with some one of the opposite sex if you are not married to them.

Ask yourself, are you only willing to serve God if it is convenient? What would you be willing to sacrifice to serve God? Are you telling God that you will serve him whole souled, with your whole mind, heart and body, except for homosexuality?

Many will tell you that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, be that as it may, if you love anything more than you love God and his Son Jesus, then that thing has become an idol, diverting your worship away from God and that would include homosexuality.

 

That's splitting hairs somewhat. I'm sure plenty of gay folk love their partners just as much as married straight couples and would like nothing more then to marry them.

 

What in the world are you talking about?

I said nothing about whether homosexuals "love" their partners or not. I merely pointed out that no matter whether you are homosexual or heterosexual, the Bible places constraints on sexual conduct. Thus if you have love for God, you should take into consideration what those constraints are, whether you are homosexual or heterosexual.

 

You said if you love anything as much as Jesus that thing has become your idol, yet the the same constraints are not placed on straight couples.

They can have a relationship that you would deny to gays.

 

That conclusion is just horrible.

 

What?

I said if you love anything more than God and Jesus that thing has become your idol and that constraint is placed on everyone, not just homosexuals.(Matthew 10:37; Luke 18:29; Luke 14:26)

 

It's just the truth, if you don't like the conclusion then you just don't like the truth.

 

True.

What you're asking though is that those who are gay deny themselves that is laid on for straight folk as they're not getting married any time soon.

How do you feel about conversion therapy?

 

For all your Gods "love" this true is truly truly evil.

To know yourself and then spend the rest of you're life hating what you are why you have these urges because of what I badly translated 2000 year document says...that's proper wrong.

If we can accept that not everything in the Bible is not literal truth, then why do we insist on morals that are 2000 years out of date?

 

Anyway I'm bowing out...I've seen the line on the top of this forum.

Enjoy your bigotry.

 

Well according to this quote from your link, I guess it's cool for guys to get fucked in the ass:

 

Once again I'm not asking anything. If the OP wants to engage in homosexuality, that is his prerogative but he asked about being a Christian and engaging in homosexuality and I merely pointed out some things that he might want to think about.

Some say it works, some say it doesn't, I would say that it is up to the person who wants to try it to decide for themselves.

Well that's one person's opinion.

Whether a person hates themself or not, is up to that person and not up to a "2000 year document".

You can accept anything you like or insist on anything you want. People have free will and can do that you know.

Okay.

My bigotry?

Someone asked a question and nothing, absolutely nothing I have said in answer even implies a hatred for homosexuals. Actually it seems, as shown by your responses, that you are the one that is displaying bigotry.

 

Why is that if a christian adheres to there religious text, 2000 year old rough translation or not, they are automatically dubbed a bigot and chastised for it? and at the same time are also expected to respect your personal sexual philosophies? Who is being self righteous here?

There is a line here. I see it too, just not the same one you see. I see a bunch of people getting offended for no reason and being rude and making remarks, such as certain people just need some boy on boy on boy on boy action to get right or some such nonsense... or your name calling insult, calling him a bigot.

No one said anything mean about gays. Just people quoting from their religious text and standing on what they believe just as you are standing on what you believe.

Do you think that people become christian just to have an excuse to not agree with homosexual lifestyles?

Olderwaterbrother is always debating his personal christian philosophies on a multitude of issues, been doing it for years on here. He didn't just start chiming in because he saw a gay thread and moved in to attack you or anyone else.


It's hypocritical to imply that one type of people should accept your personal philosophies while you show zero tolerance for theirs.

Enjoy your hypocrisy.

 

I thank you for your fine post.

 

We are talking of a different time, couple hundred years before Christ, Alexander the Great was off fighting wars with his boyfriend, one army would rape the defeated soldiers of another. Much of the world at that time wasnt Christian. A vastly different set of social constructs amongst the super powers around that time - Greece and Persia then the Romans. Bisexuality commonplace. It meant a rather different thing back then then it did now.

Theres nothing to say Jesus, any of the apostles or anyone that scripted the old or new testaments was what we call today heterosexual. Bible is divinely inspired, but scripted by mortals, thus they were all sinners, even Moses

Just as today, theres nothing stopping a pastor thats a homosexual, an adulterer or any other kind of sinner in believing or spreading the word. They have to admit that sin to god and ask for her forgiveness, but they dont have to tell anyone else

As for the OPs argument can you be gay and christian? of course you can, probably a lot easier if you dont tell anyone but God, but otherwise:

"Hey everyone, big news, I'm a sinner!"
"Yeah so, big deal, everyone is"

 

Thank you for being a breath of fresh air in this thread. What you are saying makes perfect sense. My answer to the OP's question was yes as well and I arrived at my conclusion the same way you did.

"Hey everyone, big news, I'm a sinner!""Yeah so, big deal, everyone is"
Exactly!!!

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

It is your truth, not a universal truth.

 

I think you are old enough to get the answers about being gay from people who understand what its liek to be gay ... in other words stop asking the pastor about gay. He knows things about god but he cannot answer yoru questions about being gay. Reality will tell you gay isn't evil.