Being a christian and gay

This thread is mostly a giant embarrassment. This comment was the last straw for me.

 

For the people not agreeing with that universal truth (earth revolves around sun) it was the absolute truth that the earth was flat and the sun revolving around it. My opinion remains that there are no universal "truths". We can only agree on certain things or opinions. Apart from that all "truths" remain personal.

 

what i was saying was that you reminded us that we must recognize this is a place to talk religion only

but here you are talking about gay people

and further - you remind us that we are the ones being confrontational. in fact it is you who is.

whatever.

 

You seem angry, are you anti-religious?

 

Truth does not depend on whether you or I agree with it.

If a person believes something that is not true, that does not make it true, no matter hard they want it to be true, it will never be true.

Just like your opinion "that there are no universal "truths"", that is just what it is, your opinion but the truth is, as I've already pointed out, there are many things are true regardless of what you or I believe and those are "universal truths".

Truth is not democratic, is not up for vote and even if no one believes it, the truth will remain the truth.

 

Thank you for explaining.

However this is not a place for religious talk only, it is a place for Christians only to discuss almost anything they want, as long as they remain reasonably civil.

As for me being confrontational, perhaps so but I try to be reasonably civil about it.

 

No. It is enough that I believe a certain thing to be true.

But .... let's say a certain thing is an absolute truth and nobody would acknowledge it or believe in it. I'd say that thing might as well not exist, much less be an absolute truth.

It is for them. Which is my main point.

Again that is your truth. Mine looks a little different.

No truth is not democratic. Everyone has their own.

 

I think you should do whatever you want but if you want to continue to be a Christian you would have to decide where you want to be in life because living the lifestyle and being Christian goes against what Jesus taught.

"‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." In other words, it's not a good idea to go half-way in any decision. It's either all or nothing.

There's nothing simple about the decision so I won't undermine it. I know what it's like personally; it's a roller-coaster. There's a lot of stigma no matter which side you end up on. Either you live the lifestyle and be accepted yet not accepted or you don't and end up having others thinking you're a sell-out, denial, poor-soul, victim or whatever else is used. Just know we can't please everyone. We please one group, we displease another. We displease one, we please the other. Instead, make the decision because you wanted to make it.

One of the things that helped me is what the gospels said about it. Basically, the world is full of suffering because we all walk in the valley of death (perfect analogy of our existence). Suffering is inevitable but the decision has to be made on which side of suffering we would rather be on ( 1 Peter 3:17 It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing bad.)

Remember though, it's not always about being perfect. We can stumble many times so if you stumble don't put exceeding pressure on yourself - only God knows who will be saved. And also remember, all sins are equal and forgivable except the sin to completely disregard the holy spirit and the principals it teaches. If you can live your life, and commit a sin yet try not to, then that's a good place to start. Because it's better to admit the sin then to ignore it ever was one because ( 1 John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."). Also remember, homosexuality activity is adultery and no different than adultery between opposite sex pairing and is not a special or significant sin, no different than being hot headed and saying a not so nice thing to another, so don't sweat it so much. Even heterosexuals have to decide on whether or not to honor no sex before marriage. Point is, we all struggle. :>

I want to add that in my opinion, love is a decision. There are some cultures that marry off couples that know nothing about each other yet they start from the bottom and work their way up in learning how to love each other. Some of the most successful relationships are like these.

I wish you well in whatever path you choose

 

So, by this logic, God exists.

But God also does not exist. The universe is old, the universe is young. There is no truth, because everything is relative.

The danger with relativism is that it becomes very hard to defend most actions.

You want to condemn female genital mutilation? Nope, that is just the culture and we must respect that because it is there truth.


I am sorry, Universal Truths do exist whether people believe in them or not. Did Newtons Laws not exist prior to their discovery? You would be foolish to suggest so.
Yes, the analogy is physical compared to metaphysical, but the argument follows a similar trend.

 

Newtons laws aren't universal truths though they are theories proposed by a brilliant scientist

There may be a more brilliant scientist comes along and proves him wrong and creates better explanations of physics. That is the beauty of science

By your logic 20 years ago our solar system having 9 planets would have been a universal truth, of course now our solar system has 8 planets and pluto is in the next category down along with the big rock near saturn

This is why science is believable because it's aim is just to find the best explanation that we can prove.

The Bible however does not seek to prove anything and there are so many books that prove that the Jesus story is pretty much bunch of legends tied together which makes the whole thing fall apart

Another good example is Socrates vs Jesus

It doesn't matter whether or not Socrates really existed or if Plato made him up, or even if some bored modern university professor made him up. The arguments and ideas of his teachings speak for themselves, his importance is that noone has managed to beat his logic in the last 2500 years.

Jesus on the other hand, was claimed to be the son of God and his teachings are not worth arguing with because it is basically the universe speaking. This has the obvious drawback that in this day an;d age people are generally more educated and most people are not so credulous.
If someone in real life told claimed that they were the son of God most people would have less not more interest in their opinions

I do respect that people get a lot out of the Bible and it has a message of peace in it, but I get depressed when people like the OP fall foul of it and it has a negative effect on their self worth because it is kind of idiotic deep down.
It's the same as Star Wars geeks who got really upset about the new films not being so good, or even got upset about Anakin's fall from grace....

 

You can believe the Earth is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth to your hearts content, you can even call it "your truth" if you want but that does change the fact that it is just is not the truth.

Like I said, you can believe anything you want, like believing that something is true only if people believe that it's true. But people believing the Earth is flat didn't make the Earth flat, people believing the Sun revolved around the Earth didn't make the Sun revolve around the Earth.

No it is not, which my point.

Your "truth" only looks different because it is not true.

You would like to think so.

 

Now god exists by a certain logic? And you have to defend your actions?

A bit off topic ... but yes, in the end the same thing goes for right and wrong. There is no absolute.

 

Yeah, right ....

 

He's just started ignoring me

What a berk

 

Berk?

 

The church I went the most growing up/my mum goes to is very gay friendly. My sister's confirmation coach was a lesbian.

That being said, I think it's kind've ridiculous for a homosexual to accept such a horrid religion, that has caused their kind so much misdeed and torment throughout history.

 

Dude, yeah I really love Jesus like a LOT but there's this hot dude that's been hitting on me recently. He's a christian too and says it's actually a form of worship to show your love for another. In the eyes of God as long as you love each other that's all God cares about. Do as you would be done by.

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

Yes the Bible does say that we should have love for everyone even our enemies and that is part of our worship as Christians but that does not include having sex with them.

In English the word Love can be confusing but in Greek, the original language of the NT, there is no confusion. There are four words for love in Greek and the word for sexual love is not used at all in the NT. So no where in the NT is it talking about having sex with someone as part our Christian worship.

So the bottom line is this person is twisting the Scriptures and playing with your emotions, just so they can have sex with you.

Think about it, would a person who really has Christian love for you, try to talk you into something that you're having serious doubts about?

If a person is trying to get you to do something, whether that thing be right or wrong, that they know that you feel will adversely affect your your spirituality, that person is putting a stumbling block before you and is not showing Christian love in doing so.

 

idiot.

 

Yep, right.