Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

That was surprisingly coherent.

 

We are born of love, but we doubt it, fear.

 

No, I'm not arguing. I'm just wondering how many ways the dope can try to rationalize what he did.

 

Yes, I admit it, I love my mother more than you.

My version is the one written, no more no less. It your version that keeps changing as you keep trying to squirm out of admitting your mistake and apologizing for it.

Amazing! Are you really "comfortable" with your becoming snarlingly vicious in the "name of love"?

I know that they are not the same thing, it is you that apparently doesn't know the difference.

 

The mind always interprets the symbols it reads. It does so based on it's education.

You used the opportunity to pound on me because you felt I had committed some social faux pas or unloving statement, i.e. casting aspersions on your mother. I made no mistake, I was asking about your education, i.e. did your mother also teach you to lie? If not, just say no. I wasn't casting aspersions on your mother. Your mother is no where near this conversation and you are not defending her, you are the one taking offense, being offensive, for the purpose that you think it gives you advantage. Which is why, by the way, you bring it up at this stage. You are still calculating to put me down.

Where one is the other is not. If god is love, then god does not hate.

 

Instead of trying to make something out of nothing, just try reading something some time, it can be very educational.

That pretty much says it all. You say things like this and shrug it off and try to rationalize it by saying I shouldn't be upset about this insult to my mother. It's time you take responsibility your own hateful statements.

I guess then you believe asking if someone's mother taught them to lie is a loving kindness, with love like that who needs hate?

 

Really. How is this a meaningful response to what I said? Making something out of nothing is what we do, being created in the image and likeness of god, we create as our father creates, through speaking things into existence.

Is your mother insulted? Send me her info, I will apologize.
My statement was pointed at you. In all my conversations with you am attempting to show you reason to loosen your hardness of heart. I pull your chain so that you can see the measure of your intransigence. You might benefit from being reminded that forgiveness is the correct remedy for offense. You, it seems, want to rake me.

I don't believe it is loving kindness, nor is it hateful, it is a question measured to bring you to fore so that you may be able to see. I don't think you are not a christian, but I do think you do not see correctly the nature of your brothers, of god's children, considering them unworthy as they are.

 

But I do not care if it is real or not.

 

You say you didn't insult her and yet you want to apologize?

My hardness of heart? You insult my mother and I'm the one with a hard heart. You need to look in the mirror.

By insulting my mother? That's just "pulling my chain"?

You try to upset me by insulting my mother and and it is you that is being offended? Yeah right.

I see their nature plain enough and they are my brothers and the truth is I may not e worthy of them.

As for you, by their fruitage you shall know them and by insulting a person's mother, who is not even in the discussion, shows your fruitage well enough.

 

It's a terrible bible. The United States is the most King James Bible Friendly nation on earth and it is the most unGodly nation on earth. I would almost call the United States the great Whore of Babylon. I have also never seen anyone that was like Mother Tressa carrying and reading from King James bible.

 

Older Water Brother: You know, he didn't really insult your mother. He asked that question knowing your answer would be 'no'. He was, in fact, simply insulting you (by implying that you were a liar). I think you've taken his words far too seriously and are continuing to over react.

 

Then why ask the question in the first place, if he knew my answer to be no? Why even ask about my mother in this context? He could have asked; were you taught to lie, leaving my mother out of this altogether but he didn't did he?

Also have you noticed that, even though it should be easy for him to say; I'm sorry if you think I insulted your mother, that was not my intention and I truly apologize for any slight to her that I may have made; he has not done so, even after all this time.

He may do so after reading this but I doubt it. If he had just done so in the beginning that would have been the end of the matter, instead he has continually tried to weasel out of it.

No my friend, I believe it is you that misunderstand his intentions.

 

I said if your mother is insulted I will apologize to her because I certainly did not mean to insult your mother. My question was directed at you.

No matter how many times I tell you it is not true, I am guilty in your mind because of your accusation. Let those who are blameless cast the first stone. You want me to be guilty because it makes your reaction appear justified. I did not insult your mother. You found the question insulting to you, and that is the measure you are giving the situation. We must condemn in order to justify our unwillingness to forgive.

I did not insult your mother. Again, is your mother insulted, I will apologize to her. But yes, I pulled your chain, like I say, so that you can see in stark detail that which comes out of you.

I did not say I was offended, I said the proper response for perceived offense is forgiveness. You do not offend me in the slightest, I know you do not know what you are doing. My statements are regarding principle.

You have no cause to assign worthiness at all. The children of god belong to god. You have no cause to say that I am without the holy spirit, except that I say things that are unfamiliar to you and not in fitting with what you believe.

You completely miss the meaning of this phrase. You do not taste my fruit with your mouth. It is your own fruit that you taste. It refers to the fruit that grows from the self, the ideas and concepts around which you organize your life. The statement is not license to accuse your brother, that would be antithetical to christ teaching. And yes brother, hardness of heart, as I am confident you would have an easier time telling me you hate me than telling me you love me.

 

I didn't know your answer would be no, as a matter of fact your only response was that I was casting aspersions on your mother. Like I say, I asked the question to illicit that which is in you. My motives are to remove those barriers we have built against the recognition of love.

What do you think no one who loves there mother more than me is worthy of me means?
It means that the special affections you reserve for her will at some point put you in conflict with your brothers. That can be seen here as you claim offense against your mother. We put family member against family member in this respect. Christ calls for equanimity, as you do unto the least, you do also to me. Who are my brother and sisters and mother, those who do the will of my father. All are precious, none are singled out to be "special".

And if you love your mother more than me, where does that figure on the scale of loving god with all your might and loving your brother as yourself?
I have people I associate with in ways that I would not associate with others, sexually for example, but this is a practical matter as we cannot spend time with everyone on the planet, but my love is given freely to all because love inspires me and I only experience it in my own loving heart, as the measure we give is the measure we receive. And as with the fruit, the only love you ever know is the love you give as it moves through you and is reflected back to you.

 

Then why don't you apologize?

The question was directed at me but you included my mother, which you did not have to.

What's to forgive according to you, you did nothing to be forgiven for.

As I've pointed out many times, I really don't care if someone insults me but for some unknown reason you included my mother and that insults not only me but my mother.

Then apologize but you haven't and from what I know of you, you probably never will.

And the only thing that came out of me is defense of my mother, even Jesus had love for his mother.

In what way was your using my mother in an insulting question about me and thus insulting her as well, a statement of principle?

You are the one that that brought up the subject of worthiness, not me. As can can seen by a quote of what you said, seen below:

Yes they do

What you say is familiar to me, I've heard it many times from the mouths of those who admit that they are unbelievers, the only difference between you and them is you say it is the "holy spirit" that tells you to say them.

On the contrary, it is you that has no clue, as you continue to prove.

Why should I, if you see an apple on the ground and it is rotten, you don't even pick it up let alone eat it.

Yeah, right.

The fruitage that is being talked about is what those ideas and concepts produce in your life, how you conduct your life. Like insulting a person's mother and not even considering wrong, let alone apologizing for it.

Once in a while it would be good for you to actually read what Jesus said, rather than just going with whatever your spirit buddy tells you, maybe then you would see how mislead you really are.

Jesus said: "By their fruits YOU will recognize them" ... "Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men]." (Matthew 7:16; Matthew 7:20)

Jesus here is actually saying that by their fruitage you will know who they are.

I guess your own seeming "hardness of heart" has caused you to fail to read or accept all the times that I have already said that I love you but here goes again, "I have love for you" and it wasn't hard at all.

Also, I don't know where you got the idea but I have absolutely no hatred for you at all.

 

That statement was not directed toward you and so don't act like it was.

By insulting my mother, how loving of you.

God does not test anyone with what is bad.

It doesn't mean you, it means the Christ.

No, means that at some point it can put in conflict with the Chirst, not with you.

It not a claim, it's a matter of public record that anyone can look up for themselves.

My mother did the will of the father, you on the other hand seem to be trying your hardest to prove that you don't want to do the will of the father.

I love God and his Son, Jesus, more than I love my mother but as I've said you are not God or Jesus.

Once again, how of loving of you to insult my mother, isn't she deserving of some of that love you shower on everyone else?

 

See he is still trying to weasel out of it.

 

Indeed, as a member of this forum The Dope hasn't insulted anyone or their mothers intentionally, but for you I guess he made the exception.

Nah, I think you used his comment to divert the conversation. But whatever, I was trying to get the conversation to stop since it has a tendency to derail threads. I don't honestly believe he is trying to weasel out of anything. His story has remained quite consistent.

 

I know I'm not much for this thread but I think both of you need to just let it go man. Obviously Thedope didn't make the correct point he claims he was trying to make and instead hurt OWB's feelings which is wrong in and of itself. The bible also says not to judge and from what I've read this whole thing has been a form of judgement so how bout you cats just bury the hatchet and let it go.

 

WTF!!!!???REALLY!?REALLY?I mean just REALLY? Can we please get back to the original discussion, or at least rename the thread and move it to The Whiners forum.