Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

I want to know, where is the body of Jesus? I mean really, the Romans were pretty sophisticated and powerful people when Jesus was crucified. When the disciples claimed that Jesus had risen from the dead, why didn't the Romans produce his body and parade his dead body through the streets? They would have known that a dead Jew coming back to life was going to present some problems.

If I claimed my grandfather had risen from the dead, my family would commit me to an insane asylum. If 12 people claimed my grandfather rose from the dead, my family would dig up his dead body and show them the remains. So where is Jesus' body?

Another thing I want to know is where are the Romans today? I know where the Jewish nation is, I can find it on any globe made after 1950. But where are the Romans? Why is it that the Jewish nation has arisen again, exactly as prophesied, almost 2000 years after being destroyed, when no other nation in the history of the world has ever done that?

And for the squirrel, if you are going to worship a big ball of fire in the sky, why not worship all fire? Are you perhaps an arsonist?

 

Jesus wasn't that important till a long time after he died

 

The entire new testament, with Jesus as the focus, was written within just 40 years after he died. If He wasn't that important, why have all attempts to destroy the Bible over a 2000 year period failed? How was the Bible preserved to almost the exact word and translated into thousands of languages if the one being it focuses on was not important?

 

Because the roman empire adopted it as a means to have an influence

Christianity was an important religion around his time, but it only became this massive thing when the Romans adopted it a few hundred years after they killed him when they saw the writing on the wall

The actual story isn't the point, the point was the Holy Roman Empire and the Vatican.

 

The vatican is actually part of the force that tried to destroy the Bible. Catholics are not Christians, and don't believe anything like Christians do. The Vatican tried to prevent the Bible from being translated into the common language, and burnt thousands of Christians at the stake. For you to claim that they somehow helped to preserve the Bible is ludicrous. They tried to twist it's words to their own agenda and prevent people from finding out.

 

Christians are Catholics and Protestants

If you try to separate Catholicism from the Bible and get rid of all of the European Cathedrals and so on then you have a totally different thing to what most people see as Christianity

This is why I think it's all bullshit, you say Jesus and most people think of the Michaelangelo and Leonardo paintings, but everyone knows how vile the Roman church is.....it's a pretty epic fail considering they have the advantage of being the national religion for so many places.....

 

The Bible very specifically says a sinner is forgiven by grace through faith, and Catholics believe a sinner is forgiven by confessing to a priest and doing penance. That is why I say Catholics are not Christians. Feel free to argue your view point.

More importantly, I see that if you have a $50 gold piece and it gets dirty, you will draw a bowl of bath water, set the coin in it, then throw out the coin and the water to feed the hogs. I, on the other hand, prefer to wash the dirt off the coin and keep what is of value, discarding what is not of value.

 

What you say is written. It is also written that we are forgiven as we forgive, and not everyone who say to me lord, lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven.
Sin is an error in perception. Forgiveness restores vision. We live by the grace of god regardless whether we recognize our source or not. In other words, it is fortunate we are alive at all.

 

The argument goes, that Jesus' body was stolen by his disciples (hence in the Gospels the need for the guard of the tomb because the Judean Leaders said this is what the disciples would do). As a believer, I do not accept this premise.

Jesus also appeared to more than just the 11 (minus Judas) and then 12 (plus Matthias). There are the two unspecified on the Road to Emmaus, and hundreds in Jerusalem.

You and I are going to have some fun You'll be surprised by the lies you've been fed.

 

I assumed from your signature pic that you were probably Catholic. I always say Catholics are not Christians because I know it is controversial and will get people to respond with their beliefs. I know some Catholics are true believers, but I think the majority of them do not really understand or want salvation. My wife's uncle is Catholic, which is where the majority of my opinion of the Catholic church comes from. That and "Foxes Book of Martyrs."

 

First of all, the entire New Testment wasn't written withing just 40 years of Jesus' death. There's a lot of disagreement about when the various books were written, but many scholars believe parts of the canon were written in the second century. Second, the New Testament was not "preserved almost word for word". We don't have the original manusripts, and those copies we have differ from one another. Third, Jesus was certainly important to his followers, but not to the Romans, to whom He was just another Jewish peasant troublemaker. Fiyurt, what has any of this to do with the topic of this thread: pagan origing of the Christ Myth?

 

I was actually just debating on the title itself, where it declares that the Christ is a myth with pagan origins. If an atheist comes into the Christian forum and declares the Christ to be a myth, he is bound to catch some flack.

What is it with you people and conversations? If you have a conversation, do you first announce a topic then reprimand people for not keeping their comments on topic?

 

I think those are the rules--not mine but Hip Forums'. I didn't realize that when you saw "the Christ Myth' you'd think the topic was about whether or not Jesus was a real person instead of whether or not the Christ idea had pagan origins. "Myths", in technical usage of the term, can be true--unlike the various assertions in your post about the New Testament.

 

Oh!

Total religious studies pwn!

But yeah, Christianity is mythic (though I'd argue true and historical).

 

pussay

 

Yeah, nah, I don't have the time nor patience for that.
You're just going to has to come up with the conclusion that;
A) I know what I'm talking about, or
B) I don't know what I'm talking about.
Which is which you decide, I don't even know myself.

I think I got the Shem thing for the 12th planet. Yes I know it's unreliable and laughed at, but ancient aliens are the only thing that makes honest sense to me, bro.

 

Yeah, you're right. You seem like a big hearted guy who enjoys mixing it up on the discussion forum. Sorry for being such a prick about it.

 

The only reason I can see for bringing up the topic of Christianity's pagan roots is the fact that it would purhaps humble some of those christians who truly believe that their way is the only way to an afterlife. Christianity is a mural of many different older religions including multiple pagan beliefs and a few (very few) jewish ones. Christianity as a whole should drop it's claim that it is the only way to the afterlife because this concept is one of the many that makes religion a detrement to society and to our coexistance as human beings. Is it possible that Christ was divine? Of course it is anything is possible. To claim that he is the only way to the divine is wrong plain and simple. Christ is just one of many ways that people have tried to put a label to the eternal force that is all around us. Once you accept that we are all equal no matter what our faith your heart and humanity as a whole will be far closer to understanding what is really neccesary and what is just pretty makeup to draw you away from what is neccesary. In my personal opinion there should be no religion, instead there should only be faith. No religious texts, no temples, no preachers. This will help us to become what we are meant to be.

Peace n' love