Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

Interesting. If this was your first example what was all this: "Couldn't Satan set up a religion based on a book called the Bible, that he devises himself, and which claims it is the "one true word of God" and that all others are false? Further he could set himself up as a foil for that religion, allowing himself to be degraded and vilified thus further giving credit to his own "one true religion" thus distracting the general hoard from searching for the "real" truth.
In this example either there is no God or he just doesn't care what people believe and that would also include letting Satan mislead the entire inhabited Earth."

This is a fine edge of distinction, God's message to mankind is that the message is not the message. Okay perhaps but then I would have ask why send a non-message in the first place.

I think I got it.
Okay, plausible. But I believe that true worship did not start with Christianity. If the Bible is as I premised, then the recorded first prophecy in the Bible talks about what is believed to be the coming Christ and was spoken when Adam and Eve sinned, thus placing talk about the Christ before any of the myths that came later.

The thing is God didn't want robots and that is why he gave us free will.

PS Thanks for explaining.

 

What if Christianity is the only way to the after life as you put it?

 

I'll give you a simple answer to this question. Although I think the answer to it is really quite easy to figure out. The answer is think about it......
To say that Christianity is the only way to an afterlife if there is one at all is completly egomaniacal. It'd be like me just standing up one day and saying that I was the only way to god or something. I am a humble being and I would never claim anything of the like for my sake or anyone elses. I think a better way to state this if you truly cannot just let go the idea that you have the phoneline to God and the boat to afterlife is "Jesus is the way for Christians to reach heaven or talk to God". This at least would be a decently humble statement, as you are no longer as a group trying to enforce your will upon those who do not believe as you do. If Christ is your way to peace then may peace find you at the best of times and comfort you at the worst.
Peace n' love

 

What if it isn't?

 

But if it is the only way it is not egomaniacal to say so, it is just the truth.

 

What did you have in mind? That the Earth really does ride on the backs of turtles, that there are many Gods some with the heads of cats and dogs, that we are reborn as dung beetles, etc.?

 

I find it ironic that you demean ancient beliefs when your's sound just as unbelievable. This is what makes some Christians egomaniacal right here. Of course the world doesn't ride on the backs of giant turtles but please don't speak bad of other ideas just because you think yours is the right one.

Just because you believe that your religion hold the truth doesn't make it the only truth. Hitler believed he had the truth about things but he obviously was wrong. Why can't you just try and see things a bit more on the kind side? There are many truths in this world, but each and every one of these truths can easily be seen as lies depending upon who speaks them my friend.

 

No, I certainly didn't have any of those things in mind. You raise the question what if the only way to get to Heaven is through Christianity, and I asked what if it isn't? i was thinking Christian Universalism, which claims to have been the predominant Christian position before the 6th Century, the Christian Universalist Association serves as an umbrella organization for their believers.

 

Well perhaps you can point out what you mean when you say my beliefs sound unbelievable.

It might be interesting to you to find out the Bible said that God is hanging the Earth on nothing, which if you've seen NASA's pictures of Earth, seems to be a pretty accurate description of reality, written thousands of years ago by by what have been called "backward people" that lived in those days. While many still believed the earth rested on turtles. (Job 26:7)

If you'll notice, I didn't say Christianity is the one way, I said if it is the one way, it wouldn't be egomaniacal to say so.

And no, there are many things the are true no matter how or what people say about them.

 

Is that a "Christian" organization that doesn't believe that Christianity isn't the way?

 

The leader of the Christian religion, Jesus Christ, said He was the only way to salvation in John chapter 3 of the Bible. If you don't believe this, then you are not a Christian. Do you think the Christian religion should modify and reprint the Bible? Did the thought ever occur to you that if you believed this to be true, you would want to warn people who are not followers of Christ about their impending doom? This would not be done because you hate them. If you hated them, you would wish them to proceed to their doom.

 

No, it's a Christian organization that believes everybody gets saved.

 

Or I can translate or interpret the bible with 21st century knowledge? Are we not allowed to grow?

I think language is endemic or based on common experience even though the forms of language are different. This is why we can translate at all.

 

I am the way the truth and the life means "by my example". Christianity becomes little more than a personality cult when this is not appreciated, and it certainly doesn't move with miraculous power.

 

Possible, however I was specifically refering to her claim that a previous language related in no way to the one in question can "inform" our translation into a third language.

Like using Cree, or some other language originating in the Americas to translate an Ino-European language. Does. Not. Happen.

 

I find it ironic as well that you and other Christians would quote the Old Testement when it suits you to use it's words but the other 90% of the time you claim that your deity, being Christ, has risen above the Old Testement and it's laws and therefore has taken you and all like you with him. Furthermore I find it strange that you continue to try and turn things around when the very question what if it is would imply that you or others do believe that it is the one way to heaven.

I also find it ironic that you and your fellows would claim the Old Testement yet obviously have not done much study on it, neither did your fathers or forefathers either apparently, especially not those who began Christianity. In the Old Testement there is no mention of Heaven as a place mankind would go when they moved on from this world, it is completly reserved for God and his angels. Not to say that some modern Jews don't believe in Heaven I am certain there are plenty. And as to hell and Satan, neither of them are ever mentioned either or at least hell is never mentioned and Satan is never mentioned as an evil being who is the cause of all things bad that mankind does etc etc. How can you claim to know the Old Testement and yet still claim to have knowledge of a heaven or a hell? And no I don't expect you to answer this part here. I'm planning on starting a new thread about it since this is not really the place to have this discussion.

I never implied that Christians hate people who are not Christian. There is no historical viable proof that Jesus said any of the things the Gospels claim he did. The gospels are not viable because of the fact that by modern standards they're more of the fanciful works category than the historic one. They're early sciencfiction. So to say with 100% certainty that Christ said that is impossible. At least unless we eventually build a time machine. I did not say that we had to rewrite the bible. But Jesus didn't actually say he was the only god he said he was the only way to God as seen in.....



John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."

Matthew 11:27 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

God himself in the Old Testement acknowledged the existance of other deities and the proof is right here

Exodus 20:1-3 "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

You may notice that at the end of that commandment he specifically states No other gods before me, he doesn't say there are no other gods only that you shouldn't worship other gods over him. Note also that he was specifically speaking to the Jews not the Gentiles when he said this. Jesus claiming to be able to come to the Father means that he can willingly come before the Jewish God, not the gods of the Pagans.

So this doesn't mean that he is the only way to an afterlife, because Pagan and other religious beliefs aren't put in question here. He is simply saying that to come to God you must go through him.

 

Genesis tells us God made a dome, and separated the water under it from the water above it. He named the dome Sky. Job 37:18 says that the sky is strong, and as a molten looking glass. Revelation 7:1 says he saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth. And the Bible mentions the pillars of the earth that shake. (Revelation 7:1;Job 9:6, Job 26:11, Psalms 75:3, 1 Samuel 2:8) "Is all that "a pretty accurate description" of what the NASA scientists confirmed after their space missions?

 

Interesting, wouldn't that make them "Christians" that don't follow Christ?

 

First, there is nothing wrong with the "Old Testament". It is all true and inspired of God and is a tutor leading to the Christ but Christians are not under the the Law because Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law.

As for the "what if", you are still missing the point. Of course I believe that the Christ is the way and the only way, I wouldn't be a Christian if I didn't. But the point is you are saying that it is egomaniacal for Christians for Christians to say so because there are other ways. All I was saying is that if Christianity is the only way, then it is not egomaniacal to say so.

Very good, you've done your study, except for the fact that you've missed all the times I've stated that the majority of mankind will live forever on a paradise Earth and will not go to heaven.

Actually hell is mentioned quite often in the Hebrew Scriptures, it is used to translate the Hebrew word Sheol with means grave or pit. As for Satan, he is mentioned in the Book of Job and is not depicted as a particularly nice guy.

Because both heaven and hell are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures, again you might want to check out Job and as for hell, the word hell is found over 50 times in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Also the Bible is one book from front to back, Genesis to Revelation. So the Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian Greek Scriptures compliment other and do not conflict with each other, as you seem to be saying.