America should leave capitalism at the doormat

That will be all for now....

Two big things I'm tired of here in the United States:

1. capitalism and 2. red lights

lets get some change of pace for our driving routines people. any driver who has done hard time on the road is getting tired of red lights everywhere....all the time....burning their images into our dumbfounded skulls. and lets share what we've got. peyton manning doesn't deserve 90 mill and the couple down the street shouldn't be homeless, hungry, and without knowing where their next meal is coming from

oh yeah, and nudism should be practiced on a much heavier basis....:afro:

 

red lights are there on the road because too many of too many people to begin with, are economically coerced into depending on the private passenger automobile as their primary means of transportation.

as for crapitalism, ANY ideological fanatacism, including but not limited to same, is contra to the best interests of every living, including human, thing.

yes the worship of the dollar HAS gotten just totally over the top. it IS time people woke up and realized guns aren't the only possible alternative to it. that the claim that nothing could possibly exist that wouldn't be ten times worse, is a total and outright lie.

not everyone lives where it would be thermally comfortable to go around naked. unless we all grew fur.

 

The problem with capitalism is that money has become a goal in and of itself rather than a means of exchange, and some people have enough money to corrupt the government.

But the problem with ditching capitalism is that the alternative (socialism) has a 100 year proven track record of failure, dismal squalor, prison camps and mass homocide.

There really needs to be a third or fourth option.

 

I don't really have a problem with free markets or worker ownership of the means of production, but what I do have a problem with is rampant consumerism. There's other things to life besides accumulating shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNb8w9dX0NU&feature=channel_video_title"]You are your Stuff - Protect it with Norton [extended] - YouTube

This is a commercial that states outright that your whole human identity is based around what stuff you own. Its ridiculous. I know people can steel your identity, but even if someone did get my info and steel my credit, I'd still be me. The system might not recognize this, but my sense of self worth isn't dependent on what the system thinks of me, because its a cold faceless, soulless entity anyway.

 

I like capitalism. I don't buy a lot of shit and I don't care about money much and I live below the poverty line.

And I NEVER want to live in a socialist country.

whether you believe it or not, in America we have the opportunity to make more money and get rich. that is not what I want, but the opportunity is there.

many people choose to be homeless believe it or not, and they are happy people.

 

The transition from capitalism could make for a very bloody civil war it wouldn't be worth it, for socialism which doesn't work on a mass scale it could however work on a small communal scale. The problem isn't capitalism but predatory capitalism. Im pro capitalism if done correctly (which it is not as-of now) I must say I'm also pro red lights we cant just drive all willy-nilly crashing into each other like bumper cars.

 

.............. well Capitalism sure is not providing much in the way of mass transportation.

Any major public transit is just that: another tax payer funded subsidy, possibly underused by the riding public.

so then, how am I economically coerced into driving an automobile?

would more and deeper subsidies get me out from behind the wheel and into a bus? That seems to be the question of the past 4o years! as posed by urban planers.

Well more buses and more routes would be nice. doubt this would solve the problem of nasty, indifferent bus drivers though. Perhaps capitalism might help: like when you have to be decent to your paying customers, like in a shop or a cafe. But then the bus route would have to be economically profitable!

Here in the NY/NJ Tri-state area. the MTA has just boosted tolls on the G.W. Bridge to $14.00

Our politicians hope that they can sock-it to the politically incorrect motorist in order to continue to fund the unwieldy government enterprise that is The MTA.

But the toll increase has provoked curiosity into self-dealing within the Metropolitan Transit Authority bureaucracy. These are the same guys who own the land at The World Trade Center in NYC. and if you are curious: its ugly. But plenty of people are NOT curious and that in itself can be a problem.
The MTA is able to co-opt opposition with strategic hires and sweetheart contracts and the game goes on. Journalists focusing on other issues: oversight is so yesterday.

Seems that the tax-payers will go broke to get me out from behind the wheel!


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Capitalism is not free trade. Capitalism is about money making money, not products making money.

Capitalism is greed.

Capitalism is very fond of creating fascism. The idea that it creates freedom and encourages power to the individual is false. The opposite is what actually happens to the vast majority of our people. The people who do benefit are usually people who our conscience and faith tells us are nasty, selfish, and greedy - people we shouldn't help by contributing.

But we do it anyway...

Unfortunately the rich always overplay their hand, now we do have to start over. Capitalism was a horrible experiment allowed to run wild, now humanity is seriously going to have to go back to the drawing board or risk becoming extinct.

 

Any monied system is bad. Capitalism is bad, but the monopoly capitalism we have today is worse. The problem with most people who despise capitalism is that they favor socialism, thinking it's a legitimate alternative. The people who print the money, who are often thought of as ultra capitalists, have no problem with socialism, because it consolidates power in the hands of the state, which is then used to control the people (always under the guise of being for their well-being). Today capitalism and socialism seem to work hand-in-hand to screw people over and usher in a fascist police state. All these isms are a product of the same entity, which most people don't understand. I don't like capitalism, but I don't like the so-called alternatives either. I would have no problem with money being abolished altogether. Money is the root of the problem -- more so, the people printing the money. Money is about control.

 

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So can you actually describe your alternative system in any coherent way?

 

No, and if I could it wouldn't work anyway because people are too used to being dependent on the government for everything. Most people have no concept of what true freedom is. Changing things for the better is an impossibility at this point. It simply is, and I refuse to pretend like it isn't.

 

many people would not work without money.

I think we need currency and it can't be abolished, and that's what money is

 

Work for what? Sadly, most people work for evil. People think everyone needs to work to keep the system going. But it's that system that is the problem. A lot of problems would be solved if everyone for just one day decided not to go to work. People feed the system because it feeds them back and gives them all the creature comforts they've grown accustomed to having at all times. Why do you think they want people fat, dumb and happy?

 

How would that solve problems if you don't mind me asking?

 

Because then they would have to listen. They don't give a shit about people protesting in the streets. If it's not a staged, controlled opposition protest like most of the big ones the celebrities speak at, then they simply discredit the protesters, painting them as a bunch of overly idealistic kooks, naive kids, jobless bums... whatever.

 

The attached article describes how new currencies which are issued by towns in Brazil are supplanting the Brazilian reais for local transactions.
The article states Brazil has a total of 63 local currencies in circulation.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904583204576542851688284590.html

 

to be honest a lot of this politics bullshit is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. America is not perfect, but people here have a lot of opportunities. nobody is forced to be "fat, dumb, and happy"

the computer that you are on right now is a creature comfort, and the internet wouldn't be working if people decided to all of a sudden stop going to work. I admire people that work, because I don't. and I know it sucks to get bitched at by some dumb manager just to make ends meet.

I'm not super patriotic or anything, I'm just saying that America is not all bad and neither is capitalism.

 

Honestly, I don't think capitalism is the problem. I'm pretty sure it's humans in general that are the problem. Our country is being ran by greedy politicians who are in the pockets of big business. As the American people we should get off our asses and get out country back, but we won't. Why? Well for starters we have become to comfortable and materalistic. We can't get away from our big screen tv's and are computers long enough to stand up for ourselves. Then we wonder other countries hate us when we occupy their country and try to tell them how to live. We can't even run our own country and we want to tell them how theirs?

 

I guess the only reason I brought up this topic is how bad the economy has been, and how much of a clusterfuck it is out there. I've been unemployed for the majority of the past 2 years, and finding a job is a big problem. There is so much competition out there (as in number of people jobless and applying to the same places as you) its just rediculous. It should be so very easy to get a job as a waiter. I still can't believe thats a well paying job. "Here's your food" "Can I get you a water?" "More silverware?" Sounds like a nice gig to me lol

 

Capitalism is not the problem. The problem is that we have currently have a form of capitalism called crony capitalism where corrupt politicians help out thepeople and the businesses that contribute to their campaigns. In other words, they bribe the politicians. Then there are businesses and people that are conservative and the government screws them over.

When major huge corporations break the law they often can escape justice by hiding behind expensive lawyers. So the government prevents this from happening by over-regulating everybody, which hurts business. What we need is some way to prosecute these companies, not let them get away with their dirty ways just because they can afford a million dollars for a legal team. Plus, the government loves to control us and tell us what we can and can't do. I think OSHA and the EPA get