To the policemen, soldiers and others who are in uniform, remember: You swore to defend the constitution and the people not the international banks. An attack on the people is an attack on you. YOURS are the pensions being decimated. YOURS are the homes being forclosed. YOURS are the lack of opportunity. YOURS is the currency being inflated. YOURS is the national debt owed to the international banks. They will try to convince you that the movement is violent, illegitimate, terrorist or whatever term they think will frighten you into action against your own people. Do not fall for it. There will be more, Diogenes the 99 http://diogenesthe99.blogspot.com/2011/10/to-those-in-uniform.html
Boston city officials want to kick the protesters out by making them buy a permit to use public property. This stemmed after Fox25 News in Boston put up a fuss about them not having permits to camp at the common. The exact quote from the investigative reporter was, "if I can't take my family and camp there without a permit, why are you letting them stay there for free?" My question is, why would you want to camp on the Boston Common, first of all. And second of all, that is a very poor comparison to what the people are doing out there. Makes me very angry
What would that accomplish though? They'd get removed, maybe fined, and be back the next day. I know I would.
Same here. The reason it makes me angry is because the media is focusing so hard on the fact that they're there rather than the reason. It makes me sick inside to know Fox News exists.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44845436 just saw this article, thought it was great and wanted to share it...
300 Police in park in Boston beating people, including Vets For Peace; tearing down tents. http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/10/police-threaten-mass-arrest-at-occupyboston/ http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
Word is Dallas, Seatle, Boston, and possibly San Francisco all being raided now!!! http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
this is media sleaze at it's finest... like people are going to fall for it... LOL!!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047664/Occupy-Wall-Street-Wearing-300-jeans-exclusive-schools-children-cent-good-time-protests.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik&feature=related"]Bank of America refuses to let customers close accounts - YouTube we should all be doing this... it's hard, i know, i haven't done it yet.. my benefits come through my bank account and i can't seem to get my post office account back, now that i have a bank account... seems we are too dependant on banks... let's get out now if we can, and work on being in a position where we can later, if we can't actually do it now
yes but its a positive sign that the movement hasnt been hijacked and incorporated by the corporate mass media so far. the most difficult part will be how to not get corrupted once in politics or other power positions. last time that happened with the green party in Germany which got corrupted immediately once in the gouvernement. Now they are in favor of wars etc. so I hope the movement now will be immune against corruption. for the moment the German mass media are reporting in a neutral way about this. Im very curious how they will react in Germany when the protests will start here. 15 October will be the action day in all of Germany and I will be there as well, would be my first action like that since the protests 2003 against the Iraq war.
i know for sure they are aware of hijack potential and outcomes... i read an article somewhere about just that... they are really going for an anarchic-type model with no fixed leaders... but by consensus... real democracy? is there/can there be such a thing? yes, i'll be in London on 15th protesting/documenting, hopefully too... :daisy:
i know a lot of people read the following, quoted from REDDIT site by a "vaslittlecrow"... Quote: An open letter and warning from a former tea party movement adherent to the Occupy Wall Street movement. (self.occupywallstreet) submitted 2 days ago by vaslittlecrow I don't expect you to believe me. I want you to read this, take it with a grain of salt, and do the research yourself. You may not believe me, but I want your movement to succeed. From a former tea partier to you, young new rebels, there's some advice to prevent what happened to our now broken movement from happening to you. I don't agree with everything your movement does, but I sympathize with your cause and agree on our common enemy. You guys are very intelligent and I trust that you will take this in the spirit it is intended. I wish I could believe this Occupy Wall Street was still about (r)Evolution, but so far, all I am seeing is a painful rehash of how the corporate-funded government turned the pre-Presidential election tea party movement into the joke it is now. We were anarchists and ultra-libertarians, but above all we were peaceful. So, the media tried painting us as racists. But when that didn't work they tried to goad us into violence. When that failed, they killed our movement with money and false kindness from the theocratic arm of the Republican party. That killed our popular support. I am sharing these observations, so you guys know what's going on and can prevent the media from succeeding in painting you as violent slacker hippies rebelling without a cause, or from having the movement be hijacked by a bunch of corporatists seeking to twist the movement's original intentions. If you think this can't happen, it happened to the Independence Party and the tea party movement. Don't let it happen to your movement as well. Here's how they turned our movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Republican party rebranding astroturf, and this is how I predict they are turning your movement into a bunch of pro-corporate Democratic party rebranding astroturf. I believe many of these things are already happening, so take note. 1- The media will initially and purposely avoid covering your dissenting movement to cause confusion about what your movement is about within mainstream audiences. This is to enrage you and make you appear unreasonable, and perhaps even invisible. 2- While the obsfuscation is happening, stooges will infiltrate and give superficial support, focus and financial backing to the targetted movement. In the tea party movement's case, it was the religious Republicans and Koch Brothers. In this case, it's the Public Sector Unions (the organizations as quasi-human entities, not the members themselves) and Ultra Rich liberals who pretend to care, but frankly do not serve liberators and freedom seekers but rather the interests of those who run the Public Sector Unions and the Democratic Party. Democrat, Republican, these parties are all part of the same corporate ruling system. Case in point: http://www.debates.org/ 3-The media will cover the movement only after this infiltration succeeds. Once the infiltration is completed the MSM will manufacture public media antipathy towards the movement by using selective focus on the movement's most repulsive elements or infiltrators on the corporate Conservative media side, while the corporate Liberal media will create a more sympathetic tragic hero image -- this is the flip side of the tea party, but same media manipulation tactics. I go into greater detail on this tactic: http://vaslittlecrow.com/blog/2011/...d-ideological-groups-manipulate-your-beliefs/ 4- Someone in the Democratic Party will feign sympathy for the movement and falsely "non-partisan" entities provide tons of funding and unwanted organization, just as was done with the tea party movement by Republicans. Once people assume that the pro-corporate government operatives are their friends, they will hijack the movement and the threat of your movement will be neutralized. If this new Occupy Wall Street movement is to survive, here's what needs to be done. 1- Loudly denounce violence and disavow the violent rabblerousers of the movement. They do not help the cause. 2- Be image conscious. Present your best face and call out those who act like fools within the movement. People are more likely to pay attention to you in your Sunday dress and bringing homemade food, than when you are drinking a bottle of Snapple and chomping on Big Macs while you are looking like a slacker rich hipster/unwashed hippie stereotype. 3- Accept that you've already been infiltrated by the corporate-funded government, and work hard to say, and state what your movement is and is not about. "No, this isn't about unions or Liberals, conservatives or bored spoiled brats. This is about 99% of our population being exploited and manipulated for the sake of profit." "No we will not resort to violence." "Yes, all we want is for for the end of government collusion with corporate entities that are illegitimately recognized as people." And, so forth... 4- Don't forget who you are as the illusions are thrown at you. Corporatists are masters of illusions. That's the most powerful weapon they have. That's how they sell products you don't need and convince you to justify accepting atrocities for the sake of products Don't fall for it. Otherwise, your cause will be lost. Be wary of large donations from special interest groups or non-profit corporations that were not involved this movement from the inception. Special interests groups are not your allies. Non-profit corporations are still corporations, and unfortunately, too many of them care more about donations than doing the right thing. Killing a movement with kindness is easy. 5- Remain independent and focused. If you can, pick a face to represent your movement. Rosa Parks wasn't just a random lady in a bus. http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/agentsheets/New-Vista/bus-boycott/ -- She was chosen. You too can use the power of illusion against those who oppose you. I wish your movement better luck than we had with the tea party movement before it got hijacked by the theocrats and corporatists. We used to be non-partisan too. We were the older version of you. But, I believe that as the media apparatchik and infiltrators start to twist your cause, you will understand the frustration us early adopter tea partiers felt and that we were not your enemy after all. A fascist oligarchy on the verge of winning is our common enemy. This should be your focus. Don't be dazzled by the illusion as we were. For the sake of our future, know who you are. Thank you for reading. I would love to read your ideas on the subject. Correct me where I am wrong. Explain what is going right. This is ultimately your fight. EDIT: To understand how movements get hijacked, check out this fantastic video that JamesCarlin shared: http://vimeo.com/20355767 If my essay seems too conspiratorial or tl;dr for your tastes, try Hibernator's excellent and much less paranoid sounding summary below: "Someone starts a movement. It starts small, and there's a lot going on in the world, so the mainstream media gives it minimal coverage. Today's mainstream media is also understaffed, so they don't investigate and they wait for someone else to slap a label on it. Eventually a sound byte X pops up above the noise and the mainstream media uses this to engage viewers and define the movement. This defining characteristic X spreads like a meme. People in power now notice what's going on, and think to themselves "Hmm, this new movement is defined by X, and that's almost in line with my goals, so maybe I can use them to further my ends." But people in power are all labelled as Democrats or Republicans, so now the media applies the polarizing filter of American politics to associate movement X with one of the parties. The original movement has now been labelled X, and associated with a political party, and none of this happened because of any 'government conspiracy.' It just happened because that's what you get as output when you plug something new into the American political system." EDIT: Thanks to Whiskey With My Coffee, The Free Patriot Press and all the other redditors who have been sharing my message around the Web. I am so grateful to you. EDIT: I am disabled and I am very adverse to crowds where the environment isn't tightly controlled. While I appreciate speaking and event invitations, I must respectfully decline them all. End Quote: we are getting better at it i think
Could be truth in some of that... http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/reporter-incites-occupy-d-c-riot-write-180750896.html
I have read at least four web pages now , that are stating that a MAJOR bank has donated millions and millions of dollars to the N.Y.P.D.. I don't know if it's true or not . If it is , then in my humble opinion it's nothing more than a bribe . N.Y.P.D. is funded by tax dollars , not political "donations" from big business . ( What are they congress ? ) . Are they going to buy the freakin police department now ? While their officers are on the street fighting their own people and encircling people behind orange fences like human fucking cattle . Their employer is filling their coffers from big business . I read somewhere that the occupy wall street protest , has cost the N.Y.P.D. two million dollars so far . And it seems that big business is picking up the tab . Talk about a conflict of interest . It's a lovely day in America !
What exactly are they protesting and why and how im not understanding how they are going about gettingwhat they want are they just yelling at people?
It's following the usual playbook as the letter stated. The cops at the behest of the corporatocracy, will surely mistreat and arrest people because there are not millions in the streets. You know they've been infiltrated--they always do it so that when the time comes--if it begins to gain momentum-a few of their paid dicks can break a few windows,giving the police a reason to completely break and arrest the "troublemakers". He is right about trying to keep an eye on the ones that get too rowdy. They need to be identified and separated immediately,but very difficult to do. As I have said over the years-the corporatocracy has everything from the cops in the street to the military,which I have no doubt they will use if they feel it's necessary. When true winter comes,it will be difficult to maintain these protests,so I think now is the time for a third party and it should be pushed HARD on the internet because people cannot be beaten and abused on here as happens on the streets. A permit? They're not asking--they're TELLING!! That they wouldn't let those folks have their own money,shows what they can get away with. If you want to change banks,just go to another bank-(or local credit union=best) and write a check from your bank to the new one and make sure to leave a couple a' dollars in there that they'll have to make paperwork on.
So far I haven't heard them offering solutions to the problems they have with Wall Street. Generally speaking they say they are protesting against Wall Street greed. Ok what specificlly do you want done about this greed? Like I mentioned earlier the Dodd-Frank act has already been passed. I don't see no new regulations coming.
The media treatment of this overall is sickening to me. If its not blatantly mocking, its subtly dismissive. I think media dismissiveness and police brutality, amongst other things, are only going to add fuel to the fire and strengthen the protests in the long run. I think as long as this stays relatively disorganized it is immune to corruption. The more organized it becomes, the more susceptible to corruption it will be. They're protesting corruption and greed. They aren't yelling at people, they are using their basic American right to peacefully assemble and practice freedom of speech. Its not a citizen's job to make government policy. Its their job to ensure that the government creates policy that acts in the best interest of all Americans, and that is what is happening now. I don't see disorganization or the lack of an official list of demands as a problem, like others seem to. The Wall Street protests is a collection of individuals practicing the basic tenents of democracy. This is what citizens of the free world should be doing all the time.