Is it possible to see TRUE hallucinations without being mindfucked?

This was my first quest when I started to do drugs.
I didn't just want to see stuff wave and see patterns, I wanted to see things that just weren't there. I wanted to see detailed realistically looking flying little elephants and stuff like that. And above all, I wanted to see those things without being completely mindfucked.
After a few experiences I thought that it was impossible to achieve that. I had only seen visuals so far and I found that the more visuals you wanted the more mindfucked you would need to get.

So I basically gave up. However, today someone told me about a chemical that gives some people delerium-like-visuals (so pretty much true hallucinations) without mindfucking them. I just forgot the fucking name of the fucking chemical. The name sounded similar to benzodiapine, but I'm sure he wasn't talking about those things.

I've also read one tripreport where someone had done MDA and could swear that he saw his house in a cloud. Just a regular visual you might say. However, he described it to be extremely detailed and it wasn't moving, it was just there and he had all the time in the world to look at it and study it.

So long story short: if there is a drug which can give you true hallucinations without mindfucking you, then I would LOVE to hear about it.
Do you people know if a drug can do that?

 

Yes. It's called schizophrenia.

 

how exactly do you define mindfucked?

 

Are you sure? Cause I thought that schizo's could get pretty mindfucked. Thinking that the whole world is out to get them and stuff like that?

To not be able to think rationally, to have severely impaired memory and to emotionally be very unstable. If 2 of those 3 conditions are met I would consider myself pretty much mindfucked.

 

Most schizophrenics come to peace with their disorders. I'm sure things get heavy every now and then, but they usually respond well to their hallucinations.

What you are asking for - hallucinations without a buzz - does not exist.

Apparently, it's not the same way for you, but for me. . . man, the ONLY time I EVER want to hallucinate must be accompanied by psychedelic drugs. I don't ever want to hallucinate just because.

If you want to hallucinate without a buzz, schizophrenia is your best bet.

Call your God and make an appointment.

I'm sure you'll get in right away. I can't possibly imagine a scenario where everyone is lining up for something crazy - like a lobotomy that induces permanent hallucinations or whatever, LOL.

You have to call God, because a surgeon will think you're crazy.

 

first of all you will need to look up an in-depth explanation of what a true hallucination is. according to dr. alexander shulgin, the visual affects from psychedelic drugs are not true hallucinations because the subject experiencing them is aware that they have taken a drug and that what they are experiencing is a result of having taken a drug. true hallucinations take place when the subject cannot distinguish that what they are experiencing is not caused by external forces. then again, some psychologists think that some spiritual experiences, drug induced or otherwise, are a form of insanity or psychotic episodes.

 

if you really want hallucinations like that try different drugs. DPT is said to do that but i've never done it. i have had hallucinations like the ones you want. take a bunch of hypnotics (ambien, etc.) and don't fall asleep, smoke some weed with it. some of the most intense hallucinations happened like that for me. i once was serious when i asked my friend if she had a baby or a ninja on her shoulder. i once fled from the room because i saw a tiger. on salvia i thought the sun had fallen into the backseat of my friend's car and i could touch it. so yes those hallucinations are very possible and even when you're on drugs your mind will convince you it's real

 

DPT causes universe-destroying mindfuck, I mean "you" cease to exist as a concept and you literally are enveloped by this new exploding reality of psychedelia. Delirients are also probably the most mindfuckish of all, you thinking you're talking to someone who's not there is not a visual phenomena your whole mind is involved, your whole reality perception.

OP, such a thing is not possible IME. I thought this way too before I did drugs, I wanted to take LSD so I could see the most ridiculous visual effects, I wanted it to rain kittens, rainbows to burst out of my hands, etc. It doesn't work like this. Visuals are the last thing to happen in a psychedelic experience and typically require doses much higher than the doses required for the mindfuck effects, thus you can't get visuals without pronounced mindfuck.

 

Diphenhydramine?

 

. . . causes major mindfuck. It's not like you're perfectly sober and thinking you're seeing spiders everywhere you are very intoxicated

 

I've heard that you can get hallucinations in a float tank

also with sensory deprivation

 

He said it sounds like benzodiazepine which kind of sounds like diphenhydramine. I was just guessing. Yeah, DPH is a mindfuck though

 

Lucid dreaming's pretty awesome. There are some ways to train your mind to do this. Also, if you wake up early and then take a nap mid-morning, that's when your most likely to lucid dream. Not a guarantee obviously.

I've been in a sensory deprivation chamber, it was a very interesting experience. When I came out of it, I felt like I was on some kind of marijuana like substance for the first 10 minutes. Very calming. Don't think I technically hallucinated though.

I've also heard that cutting a ping-pong ball in half and covering your eyes with them can make you see stuff after a while, because your brain is trying to make sense of the endless white.

Personally, though, I don't really know what there is to get out of just hallucinating with no other mental effects. The visuals are just a part of the larger, deeper experience. Kind of like eating the sprinkles while ignoring the cupcake.

 

Once when I ate made some pot brownies I'd made, I had hallucinations...I saw sheep grazing out of a box of books and other kinds of low and fat furry animals running around. lol But I've eaten some magic brownies since and not seen anything "special".

 

I injected a hefty dose of Methylone and got pretty realistic hallucinations, like I saw the ceiling fold and roll down towards me and while rare I have had some Ecstasy that's given me fairly good True hallucinations so I'm sure MDA could do it as well. MDA is also known for being fairly neurotoxic though and to achieve those type of effects often require a large dose and it's still not guaranteed to happen.

 

You could try the Ganzfield Procedure. I see stuff about it on StumbleUpon a lot, I recommend Googling and reading more in-depth about it, but here's a recent picture I saw detailing it.

 

Yes, he told me again what the chemical was! :-D
It's an extremely unknown chemical apparently, namely:
Benzydamine

I can't find it on erowid, but here's something about it on drugs-forum.com:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35583

The ninth post shows a trip report and it sounds pretty awesome.

 

It comes down to your definition of 'mindfucked' (which isn't even a real word...). You can have true hallucinations on anticholingerics while not realizing you are intoxicated. But, according to EVERYONE else on the planet, you are intoxicated (or, mindfucked, if you will).

Schizophrenic hallucinations (which are almost all auditory and of a paranoid nature- I have Schizoaffective BP Disorder so I am well aware of them) can leave you thinking they are real, but to everyone else on Earth, it is all in your head. Again. Mindfucked? Probably not the kindest word, but certainly not 'objectively real.'

Then we get into the debate on what is 'objective reality'. Can something that exists in the mind without the ability to be detected by other people still real? I don't know. That is a problem of philosophy that will never really be answered.

 

Order some silene capensis, grind it up to a powder, grab a teaspoon of that in the morning and add it to some water - chug it down before you've eaten and once you go fall asleep that night you'll be lucid as shit. That's about as close as you can get without the "mind fuck" I think.
Otherwise as someone above said, jump into a floatation tank for an hour or 2. Try caning a joint before hand - I bet that would intensify it even more without being "mind fucked".

 

That sounds totally awesome! But if you take it in the morning, don't you get the effects during the day and won't the effects be worn out by the time you go to sleep?

A water/floatation tank also sounds kinda cool, but a bit harder to make it happen for me.