Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

Imagination with intention OR without? Structure by intention OR the materially known organization?

 

i did'nt say you asked me.i was just freely expressing a random thought.and i did understand everything you said.i'm not thick edy.no i have not,ever had a thought and wondered where did that come from? they come from my own brain thats the why.buti do if ever hava thought and wonder where did it comes from,i'll go and see a doctor.

 

Hehe, I meant a thought that you thought out of the blue. As above, a random thought, And as for thickness I don't know what shape you are.

 

My friends make a very good point, and honestly it bothered me some at first, why are you not more forthcoming. Why do you parry and jab instead of answer with an open heart? The more we know of each other the more knowledge we have. As I said there is nothing I would withhold from anyone.

 

are you talking to me ? cos if you are there is nothing closed about my heart.

 

Sanctuary,,

OT: The Holy of Holies, the central part of the temple, God's house at the time, where the presence of God dwelt.

NT: Our regenerated human spirit, regenerated by God's Spirit to be one, mingled spirit, where God's presence is, in us, the believers.

Paul states: ",,He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit,," ICor.6:17

Many genuine believers are not aware of where Christ is, and continue to live lives driven by the soul, and religious tradition.

"That which is born of Spirit is spirit" John 3:6

The writer of Hebrews states that the living Word of God is a sword, having the ability to divide soul from spirit. (Heb.4:12)

Without a proper appreciation of the human spirit, even a believer can live out their life focusing merely on the soul, and not on their regenerated spirit, where Christ abides in us. Prayer, exercising the human spirit to call upon the name of the Lord and not merely exercising the religious soul making attempts to manipulate one's circumstances, is the way into this sanctuary. Once in, one experiences Christ, with all of His riches.

Otherwise, we all remain in conflict, and continue with endless arguings.

The only genuine oneness is the fellowship of spirit that Paul refers to in Phillippians 2. Outside of our regenerated spirit or a renewed mind, there is no genuine oneness, and thusly, no practical body of Christ, which is the church.

With so many believers living in their soul, debating and arguing, the genuine oneness of the body of Christ remains untouched, prayers are misguided, and the real Jerusalem, the city of God, where all God's redeemed can be one remains barren.

 

No I wasn't. I don't have enough experience with you to make such an observation.

 

Have you visited this city?

 

Aurthur itus, I know only of spirit reaching toward spirit in all things. I do not understand the distinction, 'soul'. Could you explain it to me?

 

The metaphor of the temple, and also of the progress the children of Israel made while heading for the promised land are sufficient.

The temple has 1)the outer court 2)the holy place 3)the holy of holies.

The outer court is where the offerings are made for sin, and the burnt offerings, etc.

The holy place is further in, and contains the table, with the shewbread, and the lampstand. The incense altar is also mentioned here in one verse.

The holiest place, or the "holy of holies" is where the ark is, with the mercy seat, and within, the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant.

The experience of most Christians is in the outer court. They are still hanging around the cross, and dealing with sin.

Some have gone deeper, and have received both nourishment and light from the Lord.

Some know where the very presence of the Lord abides, within the holiest place, and spend time there more frequently. This is to remain in our human spirit, and not to be distracted to care for the things of the flesh or of the soul.

This is not to be "an angel", by the way, but spiritual. The focus is on Christ in your human spirit, not on religious discussions in the soul.


As to the metaphor of the passage of the children of Israel from Egypt to the land of Canaan, it also has three stages: Egypt, representing the world, the wilderness, representing the soul, where the children of Israel wandered for 40 years, and the good land of Canaan, representing the spirit, and the riches of Christ for our nourishment and sustenance.

The OT is full of metaphor, symbolism.

So you have the flesh, the soul, and the spirit.

the world, ourselves, and Christ.

The call is to live a life according to Christ within, not according to our fleshly desires or our soulish pre-occupations.

 

The city is also a metaphor, but practically, we experience the building of said city every time we have spiritual fellowship with other believers. This is what a local church should be,,a miniature of the New Jerusalem, with the divine way (street of gold), the river (the flowing Spirit), and the lamb on the throne (Christ ruling).

A church should have no "way", except the divine life. The divine life is the "way". This is Christ as our life, transmitted to us in the flowing Spirit of life.

 

willedwill:

I think I'm free enough to leave that to the imagination! : D

But what do you think?

Is it possible that no-one is pre-occupied?! I have no christ within! I must myself be a fleshly desire! How embarrassing!

I am a heart! If it is then to be imputed that I am a fate, I shall have no centre to show in the centering! No mercy! ( Save where it finds itself beyond occupation )

I go out on a limb, only to find I've gone out a little further! The believers say god is the doer, but belief doesn't move me, no matter where it is grounded. Who is held aloft on the thought?

 

So the soul is individual interest? And when we see someones interest as equal to our own?

As to fellowship. I am taught that the light of god resides in everyone, no matter how obscured by a perception of separateness and that the well have no need of a physician. All my relationships are holy, no matter if they are believers or not. Light calls unto light and any expression of love is a miracle to the forlorn.

 

I jumped off a cliff and discovered I could fly. I did not fashion my own wings but found them complete.

 

Then in flight is where your share in fashioning them shall be. The light of your discovery has always been good enough for me.

 

The extension of god's being is spirits only function. Creation is extension. Creation is the opposite of loss as blessing is the opposite of sacrifice. Being must be extended, that is how it retains knowledge of itself. Spirit yearns to share it's being as it's creator does. Created by sharing his will is to create. It does not wish to contain god but share his being.

Selfishness is of the ego, self fulness is of spirit because that's how god created it. The holy spirit is the part of the mind that lies between the ego and the spirit, mediating between them always in favor of the spirit. To the ego this is partiality and it responds as if it were being sided against. to the spirit this is truth, because it knows it's fullness and cannot conceive of any part from which it is excluded.

 

people on Quaaludes should not read the bible.. :love:

 

And surely here is a man of one faith, no stranger to me.

 

The soul is neutral, basically composed of the mind, emotions, and will. It can be used, by God, to express Him, in all of His attributes,,love, light, truth, or it can be utilized by God's enemy to express the lack of these attributes, in hatred, darkness, and deceit. It all depends upon our focus.

The soul is what I would call the self, but is denied under the cross of Christ in a believer who is following the path of righteousness. Instead of the self, and the flesh, in a follower of Christ we can see faith, and the Spirit as the motivating factor, faith being an issue of the Spirit also. (Paul calls our spirit, infused with the divine Spirit, a "spirit of faith", in his letter to the Corinthians.)

I'm not implying that a believer ought to sequester him/herself from others who are not considered "believers". I don't have any such prohibitions. I relate to everyone I meet in the same way. I am more cautious around believers, because there are so many variants, and more complexity. I tend to feel as if your typical "sinner" is more reachable than many so-called "Christians". I find "sinners" a humble bunch for the most part, and easier to get along with.

Paul mentions a marriage relationship here, in ICorinthians 7:

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

So, the matter of a marriage relationship being "holy" or not hinges on the matter of either of the partners being a believer. The faith of one sanctifies the other. The children are also holy.

So, this implies exactly as you have stated, that "all of my relationships are holy,,". Jesus traveled freely amongst the people, and did not segregate Himself from others, except to avoid the religious, who were stuck in tradition and unable to receive Him, as He did not suit their concept of a Messiah, and threatened the religious institution of the day.

He still threatens the present day religious institutions. This is why the chief opponent to a living church today is traditional thought. Jesus said that the religious have given up on God, closed their hearts to Him, preferring their tradition to His speaking. Jesus spoke the words of God, and was the living Word of God, expressed in humanity. But He did not keep the religious traditions, but commonly broke them while living out the reality of God.

Being that Jesus frequently contacted sinners, even being known as the "friend of sinners", and not of the pharisees or the publicans, it does not appear that He was being "unholy" when He did this.

I find the religious overly judgmental and opinionated, lacking humility. I've been there myself.

But now I'm a very humble man, not because of myself, but due to the variety of humbling circumstances I've been through in my life. I have very little confidence in myself, apart from the Lord's supply. What I once had confidence in regarding my skills, my abilities, etc., has steadily been through a process that repeatedly reminds me that I am nothing without Him.

So, I don't discriminate, but associate freely with the people I contact. I like to communicate, with almost everyone, unless I notice something fearful or dishonest about the other party. I don't tend to sequester myself from any, commonly associating with people of all age groups, and befriending myself to them. I'd rather keep doors open than go around shutting them.

When I was in the cult I met my wife in, now THAT was a sequestering. I left that behind.

But if I am to make a clear decision on something, I don't necessarily take just any opinion. I select carefully who I would listen to, depending upon their particular field of expertise. So, a professed "believer" that does not accept that Jesus was the incarnation of the invisible God, having both humanity and divinity, I would not consider to be a confidante, nor one born of the Spirit.

Everyone who wields a Bible is not necessarily one who understands its implications, neither its clear words. Many are under the influence of religious tradition, as I once was. And there are many traditions.

Only God's present and up-to-date speaking is reliable, though it may be found within the pages of the Bible, which was written long ago, translated many times. The Spirit is adequate to illuminate the face of Jesus Christ from within its pages.

 

ok. an ya all my thoughts are outa the blue. thats normal for an unprogrammed unconditioned free mind.