Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

I am has sent me. I did not attack you I was praising the holy spirit and the teachings of christ. As I said, the ego regards this as being sided against, the holy spirit regards it as truth because it can conceive of nowhere from which it is excluded.

May the lord bless you and keep you all the days of your life.

 

There is no such being as "I am" to send you but then I guess that explains a lot.

Let's see;

"I offer that I had asked waterbrother for a decent hearing in christs name and did I not receive his blessing when he said in effect, if I were right with god, I could be a force for good."

Oh yeah, you were obviously praising the holy spirit and the teachings of Christ when you said that.

More psychobabble, I see.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

 

You aren't?

you left out the part where I said if you doubt the power of the holy spirit or the verity of christ teaching. I thank you for your blessing.

Is there some point you would like to make other than to characterize what i say regardless of the point I am making?

May the lord bless you and keep you all the days of your life.

 

No, I am not sent by the "I am" because there is no "I am" to send anyone.

I didn't leave anything out, what I quoted was what you said about me.

"I offer that I had asked waterbrother for a decent hearing in christs name and did I not receive his blessing when he said in effect, if I were right with god, I could be a force for good."

And that statement is not praising the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Christ.

The point I was making is that you are talking in meaningless psychobabble and that is what I said.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

 

"And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

It may be lessening the full scope of the meaning of the world but mind seems appropriate. Mind included with the personality itself like the storage of data we could say is kept with God. It's like our personhood DNA.

The mind must be set on spiritual desires as you say and proof of this is the fruitage We guard ourselves from lusts of the flesh "Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul." 1: Peter 2:11

I meant to say that God's spirit is life giving and the spirit of the flesh although not God created or unique (? - Not sure what you meant) cannot live.

Wouldn't the other way around mean that God steals, kills and destroys our personality? I'm not sure if you meant that (prob not) or was a grammar mistake or... - Or would it be bad to die from a personality that bares bad fruit? I don't believe so. If one already was producing good fruit their may be no reason to die from that but something God desires.

If a man turns from his sinful nature then takes on the nature of the spirit wouldn't that one not be allowing Satan to steal, kill and destroy our personality?

I believe so.

P.S. I also don't mean to apply that good works in of itself improves our relationship with God but that both works and faith working together according to scripture improves on that relationship. As an example, I don't believe a willful reviler who gives huge donations to charity has a healthy relationship with God.

In the end, only God truly knows who is who (‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28“And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29“But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest). This may also apply that not even God knows who will be saved until the end since it's not known until harvest which will be a tare or wheat.

If someone could clear that up for me I'd be thankful.

 

I don't know if I can clear it up but to me this is another instance of God letting us to use our free will to prove who we are. Not deciding for us but letting us prove who we are by the fruitage we produce.

Also here is something interesting I found out about the illustration:

The weeds of Jesus’ illustration at Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 are generally considered to be bearded darnel (Lolium temulentum), which very much resembles wheat until maturity, when it can be readily distinguished from wheat by its smaller black seeds. This, together with the fact that the roots of these weeds become entwined with the wheat, would make it most inadvisable to pull up the weeds at an early stage. If darnel seeds become mixed with wheat kernels after the harvest, this can have a serious effect upon the eater. Dizziness and even fatal poisoning have been attributed to eating bread containing too much darnel flour. The poisonous properties of darnel seeds are generally believed to stem from a fungus growing within them.

 

I just meant the desires and acts of the flesh prevent people from using their unique gifts that God gives.

I agree with what you said. It's like having the mind of Christ. I just meant that even though the church is one in spirit each person still has their own unique personality and contribute to it in different ways.

I don't think of a personality as good or bad. It just believes the wrong things and follows the wrong desires.

I believe so too.

I think of good works as something we can do that is a reflection of what God does. It's purity being dependent on doing it without any ego or selfish motivation. It's like God playing music and we can play in harmony with it and everything flooows.

I believe salvation is dependent on God's mercy so......I don't think the Bible makes it clear or atleast it's not clear to me yet.

 

No, you aren't a being like yourself? You call your self I am in this very statement. I did not say I was sent by "the I am", I said I am has sent me, the one who animates my being and yours.

Yes you left it out again. The evidence is write on the page. The entire statement is qualified by it's preamble. If you don't care to praise the holy spirit or the verity of christ teaching, that is up to you, but regardless of how you feel about it you have been helping me teach the lessons of the holy spirit for quite some time and I have spoken of your graciousness in doing so on more than one occasion. If you care to deny the blessings bestowed on you then the only result is to make them obscure to you and give you cause to complain, what god gives is truly given.

When you learn to say god bless instead of god damn, then you will abide always in god's blessing. In the kingdom of heaven the first becomes last and the last becomes first.

If it is meaningless to you and you call it babble, it means that you do not comprehend it and you have nothing useful to contribute, further you would not be in a position to say what it is. If you care I will try to explain it in terms that you can understand, because waterbrother there certainly is a point to it. The ego is equal to the soul or independently willful self talked about in these discussions. It is not psycho babble. Take the words into account using the world soul instead of ego as it is port forth by def zeppelin, monkey boy, and aurthur itus.

If you care to limit god's blessing by determining what it must be, that is up to you, but, eyes have not seen, nor have ears heard the good things god has prepared for those who love him. They are of a transcendent beauty far beyond what we call perception.

 

Your salvation is based on your capacity to be merciful. Your will is gods gift to you. What you call for comes, both to you and to your brother. The debts we do not forgive are debts that we retain. Be merciful even as your father in heaven is merciful. It is the same mercy.

 

For someone who claims faculty with the English language...

I was not calling myself "I am", I was merely using common English to make a statement, I mean the use of the phrase "I was" does not mean that I was calling my self "I was".

Why do you teach Satan's lies and call them teachings of the Holy Spirit, you know of course that doing so is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I have talked often of God's blessing but as for the other phrase, you are the one that just said it.

I call it psychobabble because that is what it is. Sorry if it bothers you that I call it what it is.

I know what ego is suppose to be and I know what the soul is.

You once again deny the Holy Spirit? Okay, that's up to you.

 

Yep.

James 2:12
12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

 

Really, he said that? I think walking around with an anonymous mask does it better. Grace: it rises and falls where the faith can but fails to get one trust.

 

I am the way, the truth and the life. That one has no being?

I don't, and no I don't.

Hum, could have sworn you said I was condemned.

Babble to you. Others here take the time to and do understand what I am saying. It doesn't bother me that you call it that, it just indicates that you do not understand it.

But very light on the holy spirit.

I have spoken for nothing but the holy spirit. What about what I said causes you to say, I again deny the holy spirit? You are the only one, I repeat only one, in this thread who has denied the holy spirit. No one has said to me I deny the holy spirit except you, and no one has in fact denied it except you.

 

That was Jesus talking about himself being the the way, the truth and the life and he was not in any way saying he was some kind of being called the "I am", since there is no such being.

For one thing you teach immortal life, which was Satan's first lie and you call that lie a teaching of the Holy Spirit. That seems to fit the bill on both accounts.

Once again you twist what was said. I did say that the Bible says that without Christ's sacrifice all mankind is condemned, including you but I never used the word "damned" which has a totally different connotation than condemned.

Oh I understand psychiatry just fine but at best it is a flawed science and to apply it to the Bible, as you do, is no more than an attempt to make the Bible conform to your perception of what the God's Word is supposed to be.

Are you now calling your spirit buddy, holy spirit light?

Well I quoted a Scripture; "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." and of this scripture you said; "If you care to limit god's blessing by determining what it must be, that is up to you, but, eyes have not seen, nor have ears heard the good things god has prepared for those who love him. They are of a transcendent beauty far beyond what we call perception.", indicating that you deny what was inspired of the Holy Spirit.

I have not denied the Holy Spirit but I have indicated many times that what you mistakenly call the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit.

I can't help it if you have no idea what the Holy Spirit is or how it works.

 

Where spirit appears to be denied, one nevertheless gives it. This is how I understand holiness.

With or without christ, humanity is not condemned to death. I don't expect a christian to understand this, but I am pleased if one does! Is it possible I am more patient than Nietzsche who knew that the only christian died on the cross?!

There is such a being as the self. It is really the only being there is. There is nothing outside of it to make conscious existence.

OWB, are you meaning to imply a difference between what you call immortal life and everlasting life or only that you do not know it and that you think it satanic to teach the unknown?

 

There is a difference between immortal life and everlasting life.

Immortal life carries the connotation that one will not die no matter what, like you said; "With or without christ, humanity is not condemned to death." (One might ask why you think humans die? Whether you call it condemned to death or not, they all die don't they?)

But everlasting life depends on God's undeserved kindness and the Christ's sacrifice.

I don't think it is Satanic to teach the unknown, it is Satanic to teach the lie.

 

OWB:

Do they? Are we dead yet? That humans die and have died has not yet persuaded me that we have to. Being prepared to die for ones life is something different.

No matter what connotation you carry, the meaning remains. In this case, life without end. This dependency in addition to what you maintain is essentially undeserved makes no sense, even where one might hang it upon faith alone.

No, it is only an error to teach a lie. In all truth, the lie does not exist.

 

You must be young, when I was young I had never seen or for that matter known of anybody that I personally knew dying. Now all my close family are dead and I personally watched three of them go from alive to dead, so yes people die and no, none of them have come back from the dead to tell me there is life after death.

And no, we don't have to die, we weren't created to die but we do die. The reason we die is explained in the bible and we have the possibility to live forever but that possibility depends on God's loving kindness and the sacrifice of his Son, Jesus.

No the meaning is not the same, the two words could not be more different.

Immortality means that under no circumstance could an immortal being die, they have live in themselves and has already been pointed out people die, so people are not immortal.

While beings that are immortal, live everlastingly, those that are not immortal also have the possibility of living forever or everlastingly but that everlasting life depends on God to sustain that life and that means that there is always the possibility that they could one day die.

You are correct, in most cases teaching a lie is merely an error but if you'll notice I said; teaching "the lie". In other words teaching Satan's lie, his body of lies, especially teaching them in exchange for the truth, is Satanic.

And saying that his "lie" does not exist is exactly what Satan would want done.

PS When I talk of death, I mean nonexistence, that the person that existed no longer exists and did not just change this existence for another in a place such as heaven or "hell".

 

OWB:

Satans lie does not exist because Satan, as a person, doesn't. As for there being a lie of lies, there isn't. Your belief in Satan is not satanic, but...well, what is it?!

Meaning you think that, like Jesus, we have to die in order to go on living, like God. An old secret. I am the keeper and teller of an older one, and a newer! But don't let me crack that riddle for you! : D I am busy doing that myself!

They could, but they aren't.

Yes, I'm young. For me the terms remain the same. Though in turn, to entertain your theory, I could as easily push the definition to the following definitions:

Immortality- capacity for eternity, not the enslavement to it.

Everlasting life- life that cannot, in any instance, end.

Words and meanings are not wed to life like lovers are, but engaged. A poet alone permits themselves the pretence that they are. A poet alone can. Your immortals are not mine, not until I say they are! lol Mine are still reluctant to know themselves!

I became a poet, not being one at all, as everyone does - by accident. I discovered I could speak for everyone through love, though not be spoken for. With everything I lack I shall afford a distance, a reserve and supreme allowance, and that is for heaven to outdo my discretion. Heaven above all! : D

 

I didn't say you had to believe in Satan but if there is one, then getting you to believe that he doesn't exist would be helpful to him.

No, men die because of sin, Jesus had no sin and so died as a ransom sacrifice so that we may have a chance at everlasting life, something that mankind in general cannot do.

Interestingly, Jesus did not automatically just go on living after death but had to be resurrected by God to continue living and like that, the dead are nonexistent and will remain so until God resurrects them.

Since I already explained how they are different, it seems you are now just quibbling.

You can call it a theory if you wish but it is not.

Immortal means not mortal or one who can not die. Its meaning really is not talking about "capacity for eternity or enslavement to it"

Except for the fact that it can end.

I am unsure what you are trying to say but as for God who is immortal, I doubt that he is much affected by your not considering him immortal.

As for me I was born a creative person, artist, poet, writer, singer, musician, etc... as I believe all mankind is until later convinced by others they are not.