George Bush is not a Christian

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Pressed_Rat, Dec 10, 2004.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    George Bush is as far away from a Christian as you can get. That's not saying I admire people who are of the Christian faith -- I think many of its devotees are truly bigoted and brainwashed minions of humanity's decline and destruction, who often display a strong desire for controlling the way other people think and feel.

    But I also believe there are a lot of good, well-meaning Christians, too. And don't be offended, because I look upon all organized religion equally negatively. I feel that most religion serves no purpose other than to control people's thoughts by indoctrinating them into a rigid belief system. It's a means of controlling the masses by forcing them to adopt a herd mentality.

    But that's besides the point I am getting to....

    Too few people question Bush NOT being a Christian. They don't consider that perhaps it's a front to rally the so-called Christian-right that makes up a rather large percentage of the US, thus creating a base of support, as well as creating a large amount of polar friction that the two-party system thrives off of.

    What I am saying is, how do you know this isn't nothing more than a big scam? What should lead me -- or anyone else -- to believe that George W. Bush is the devout Christian he wants everyone to believe he is, other than for his empty, propagandistic, Karl Rove-spawned rhetoric?

    Let's look at George's past.... From what I can see, George never seemed like much of "Christian" until it came time for him to run for office in '00. From what I gather, for much of George's life he was little more than a spoiled rich kid from Texas, whose father -- among many things -- was head of the CIA, ambassador to the UN, vice president under Reagan, and 41st president of the United States. Much of everything George Jr. has ever had was handed to him on a golden platter, thanks to his father and his high position of power, as well as the entire Bush dynasty -- everything from the oil companies to the baseball teams, to the governor's seat to the highest office in the land....

    George wouldn't have even been allowed into Yale if it wasn't for his father, let alone been able to graduate with the cumulative C average he held at the time of his graduation.

    The fact is, much of George's young, twenty-something (and much of his thirty and fourty-something) life was spent being a frat-boy, scamming people, engaging in lucrative business deals, drinking, snorting coke, and getting into fist fights.

    Then guess what happened?

    ....one day the Lord came down and saved George as he was in a drunken stupor after consuming an entire bottle of Jim Beam on daddy's property at Camp David. It's as simple is that. And ever since then, Dubya has been a true child of the Lord. Isn't it a miracle? The man is now a true humanitarian who embraces the Lord and follows the Lord's ways. He holds the highest seat in office, and to many fellow Christian Americans, holds a very godlike image himself.

    This very religious man is the same man who oversaw a record 152 executions while governor of Texas, including an execution of fellow born-again Christian Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer who later led a prison ministry.

    This is the very religious man who mocked Tucker's appeal for clemency. In an interview with Talk magazine, Bush imitated Tucker's appeal for him to spare her life -- pursing his lips, squinting his eyes, and in a squeaky voice saying, "Please don't kill me."

    This very religious man is also responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, as well as nearly 1,300 American soldiers. (And those are only the ones who died in combat.)

    I could add another 3,000+ to that list, but since that would be a whole other post, I'll refrain.

    Bush is also responsible for the crippling and maiming of many thousand more Americans and Iraqis -- of course all in the name of empire, money and power.

    According to Bush, God told him to invade Iraq. The command probably went something like this:

    "George, ya fuckin' asshole! Get up off your ass and blow some of those nasty-ass ragheads away! They're subhuman! You deserve it, Georgy Boy! Go get that oil -- go take that land! It's yours, son! And who cares about the children of the worthless working-class scum that die for your cause. It's for the better of the world that you hold in your hands."
     
  2. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Senior Member

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    My theory is that he actually suffers from some form of mental illness, possibly schizophrenia, or the like. I wonder whether he is really trying to fool people. I think he might be so deep in delusion that he actually believes everything he does is good and just, and that all his lies are really the truth. I suspect that he probably also sees himself as being right next to god, carrying out the will of the divine.
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    Gad damn, it's fucking creepy. And it's surrealistic to a new kind of extreme.
    The sad thing is that most people don't give a shit. That's the beauty of television. It has truly transformed us in a very short time into a nation of illiterate apathetic slobs. God help us all.
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    KILL YOUR TELEVISION!
     
  3. Juggalo4ever

    Juggalo4ever KingoftheChubbyGirls

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    "George Bush is not a Christian "

    no shit
     
  4. lover/young_peace

    lover/young_peace Senior Member

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    Right on, Juggles. ;)[​IMG]
     
  5. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    That is because a lot of religious people are caught up in the false doctorine of "Today's" Christianity. I do believe that Bush is a religious man, yet he does have some strong holds (we all do) that keep him in a position to portray a very un-Christian character at times.

    I am not perfect and I certainly do not claim to be (though most people have this false perception that I believe I am, "Holier than thou").
     
  6. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    George W Bush needs to have some gay sex with Pat Robertson. That would take care of most everything. :)

    :rolleyes:

    Along with having some kind of mental problem, I don't think gets laid enough. Have you ever noticed he walks with nearly straight legs and like he has a stick up his ass? Gay sex -- or any kind of sex -- would do good for him. Not with Barbara, she seems much too perfect to ever fornicate with him or everybody. He needs a hooker.
     
  7. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    It's truly amusing how so many rabid anti-Christians consider themselves experts in determining who the "real" Christians are!
     
  8. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    and even more amusing how so many rabid Christians have drank enough of the Kool-aide to actually believe that the US president shares their faith.
     
  9. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Anyone that considers themselves to be christian are christians in my book.

    But if we just listen to what Huck says it allows all us non-christians to group some of the worst people of the world in with the rest of the christians, something that would not be in the best intrest of the religion.

    Since I don't believe in god I don't practice the religion it isn't like I think there are some real christians, and some faking it. I pretty much think every christian has themselves fooled or are trying to fool others. But that is beside the point (just addressing what Huck said regarding non-christian's references to the religion)

    I think what is being questioned here is Bush's motives for calling himself a christian.
     
  10. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    I disagree strongly with many of Bush's policies, but I wouldn't presume to judge the condition of his soul. As for Iraq, I think he has bungled it severely in many ways, but Pressed Rat's childish conspiracy theories are ludicrous. Ask him about the Illuminati!
     
  11. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    "and they will know us by our works" ~the bible.

    I don't see any christian-like works by Bush, not when you consider the influence he should have as the president of the united states of america.

    I see two wars (one certainly unjustified, the other dubious), underfunded school programs, tax cuts for the rich (meaning tax burdens for the poor), massive deficit spending (burden for our children and our children's children), etc. One could go on and on.
     
  12. John221

    John221 Senior Member

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    As Bob Dylan would put it:

    "How much do I know, to talk out of turn?
    You might say that I'm young, you might say I'm unlearned,
    But there's one thing I know, though I'm younger than you,
    Even Jesus would never forgive what you do."
     
  13. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    bush is definitly Christian, he is just uber, uber literalist and uber conservative...I also do think he does suffer from some mental illness....but there is no question that he is christian, no matter how evil he acts, no one doubts the KKK are Christians or not...or the Cruaders at that... He may be doing the wrong thing just about everywhere but he is definitly christian
     
  14. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    I see one certainly justified (Afghanistan) and the other dubious (Iraq).


    Education funding has never been, nor should it be, primarily the responsibility of the federal government.


    I'm willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume he really believes that "trickle down" economic policy works. Of course, I think he's wrong, but it's not sufficient reason for me to doubt the sincerity of his faith.
     
  15. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    the pope is not a christian
     
  16. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Not really
     
  17. Jozak

    Jozak Member

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    Right, and Trotsky was not a communist.
     
  18. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    I'm pretty sure he is....i think i saw a show on the History channel all about GWB'S faith....

    one thing for sure though, he is definitly christian...
     
  19. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    he wasn't, he was a Marxist
     
  20. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    Correction: Trotsky was a Trotskiest

    a sect of communism

    and he was also one with marx
     
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