Sceptical

Discussion in 'Psychic' started by Chodpa, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. Chodpa

    Chodpa Senior Member

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    I am not baiting. When I was thirteen to fifteen my sister owned a psychic bookstore in Los Angeles. I got to have maybe a hundred psychic readings. Of all of them the only ones which were of use were a Hindu palm reader, a minister, and a very expensive Beverly Hills astrologer. But in each case it wasn't the psychic aspect of what they spoke but the counseling and positive things that they said.

    From all the readings I can honestly say that psychics are full of shit.

    On the other hand the spiritual people I met - OTO, Golden Dawn, Shlomo Karlebach, Gong Healers, Bearheart the Cree Indian, Guru Datta, these mystics and shamans were all very valuable.

    I guess my question is that nobody knows even their own self, so how can they be psychic and know another?

    I know nobody knows their own self because I spend 20 years doing deep meditation and developing the mystic knowingness, and I know that psychics don't know this, so they don't know alot.

    Also, regarding past lives - nobody even remembers their own past of this life, so how can they remember the past lives.

    My main gripe is that people who are open to psychics are especially suggestive, and what a psychic says can cause future waves, and mislead a person from their real evolution.

    My sister is also a psychic and she was in National Enquirer top ten psychics of the world one year. But she never understood me in the slightest. Also, she did stupid shit like went to Los Vegas to give psychic gambling advice.

    Psychics have few morals and fewer standards. There is no 'bar' for them. I just feel waylaid and misused by the psychic world. And the people who want psychic advice are looking for magic. They are the people who really shouldn't have readings.
     
  2. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Chodpa, I'm not "a psychic" - I wouldn't even attempt to do a reading for you - yet I have had a helluva lot of experiences that I consider psychic.

    I know people who could do a reading for you that would drop your jaw to the floor - but they don't do readings, per se. They act as spiritual guides, and they reveal their psychic insights, if at all, only when they need to get someone's attention or make an important point.

    I've encountered a few professional psychics. The only one I've ever met whom I consider the real deal, on par with the spiritual guides I mentioned, is a Chicago psychic named Sonia Choquette. I think there may be others, but my experience is limited.

    I have a thread in this forum about some of my psychic experiences, and about someone I consider a spiritual guide in my life, if you're interested:

    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=415730&f=49

    And so: Yup, I agree that there's a helluva lot of charlatans in the psychic biz. It's easy to fake it for weakminded and desperate people.
     
  3. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    Those who know, know - and consider this sense as much of a curse as a gift.
    Commercialisation and charlatans are (sadly) many and do not advertise it - I have found
    :)
     
  4. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    Uh huh...I was talking face to face with my spirit guide Deanna one time, and she remarked to me that the more you can see, the more pain and awfulness you become aware of.
     
  5. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Well I’m not trying to be smart or anything but that’s not how you spell skeptical [​IMG]


    hotwater
     
  6. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Self can only be known by self, that is the other is called stranger. Inside of you is every response another person could make to you. The trick is to not rule anything out and knowledge flows freely into an open mind, but before you ask, i do not do tricks, they don't interest me, but i have seen them done.
     
  7. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    So wait, you're skeptical of someone being able to read your mind, yet you have full faith in sitting with your eyes closed in the hope of magically changing yourself? Yeah, that makes sense ...
     
  8. Chodpa

    Chodpa Senior Member

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    Psychics don't read minds and meditation isn't magical.
     
  9. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    That fits nicely into your thinking there is an unseen 'reality', one that can be accessed through meditation.
     
  10. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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    British spelling.
     
  11. Chodpa

    Chodpa Senior Member

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    So I'm sceptical from personal experience about the value of the psychic profession. I am not sceptical about whether there are levels of understanding which supercede the obvious.

    I have experienced enough woowoo stuff to know that much goes on behind the scenes of what the less perceptive think is going on.

    I guess my main point wasn't much more that this: we forget most of our own pasts, so how can a psychic, who ostensibly couldn't know very much about us, know enough about us to impact us in a evolutionary manner?

    For most people they could easily move in an evolutionary manner by eschewing a bad habit or two.
     
  12. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    I agree with you; just saying that meditation is hocus-pocus as well, just not as obvious.
     
  13. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    I know people who "read minds" - though I think the term "read minds" is not really descriptive of what they do - it's more like their minds have opened to a universal awareness that's in everything. But I'm aware of only one professional psychic who does that - and as far as I know she has never admitted it to anyone. The people I know who can "read minds" never tell anybody about being psychic. They're just "regular" people you might work with or run into in a public place.
     
  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Damn anglophiles [​IMG]



    Hotwater [​IMG]
     
  15. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    There is a massive UKer contingent on these forums, hotwater...ye've got te keep yer wits about ye... :leaving:
     
  16. andallthatstocome

    andallthatstocome not a squid

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    are you seriously suggesting that calm self-reflection can't change a person? you're either trolling, or stupid.
     
  17. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    If you're talking about relaxation of the muscles, forced calmness, changing your personality by will etc, no i'm not suggesting that. If you mean dramatic change of the person or some kind of spiritual realisation or 'enlightenment', what exactly is changed? Who is the one changing it? A dog chases its own tail thinking it is something not part of him, only to go around in circles.
     
  18. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    true
     
  19. zengizmo

    zengizmo Ignorant Slut HipForums Supporter

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    I don't think so
     
  20. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    it dose'nt work that way. an meditation is a mental practice.anyone can meditate.they dont need to be magicians.
     
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