@scorpio kenny: fuck off you neo hippy.. a real hippy knows the streets as well, not just some "i want only organic food" and "lets smoke the ganj" GO TO MENDO, GO TO THE HAIGHT
Whoa. I wish you the best, and you get hostile. Wow. What the F is a neo-hippie? I did ask for clarification. Didn't I? Help me in trying to get what the folks here were calling punk or hippie. Dude, look at my age under my name. 60. I was a hippie before for were born. Don't go 'round calling yourself a hippie unless you can walk the walk. I been a hippie for 40 years. I ain't got no neo on me like some people 'round here. You're rubber. I'm glue. Whatever you say, bounces off you and sticks to me. So there.
OK, Not to burst your bubble but the fucktards I see in the Haight aren't real hippies. They are Gutter Punks in Greatful Dead t-shirts who make their money robbing tourists. Selling $5 quantities of bunk weed (or catnip) for $20 to some moron who will gladly pay it so they can go back to Illinois and tell all of their friends that they "Bought weed from a Hippie in Haight Ashbury" while walking around with a pitbull to intimidate people is by definition robbery. Using strong arm tactics to spare change someone is robbery. The kids I see up there are only looking out for themselves and hanging out in a shopping mall with dope dealers. These are the kids who came along and fucked it up for the hippies by bringing a heavier police presence and prompted the city of SF to adopt the "Sit Lie Ordinance" that makes it illegal to even sit down on the sidewalk or on a ledge next to the sidewalk when you are tired. The way I see it these kids fucked it up for the rest of us who want to help out and do good things for others because it makes others suspicious of us. To me they are the ones who just want to "hang out and smoke ganj" and only use words like "Family" when they are trying to get something for free. To be honest they have made me cynical to the point where if anyone calls me brother I want to check and see if I still have my wallet. I moved to the Bay Area in 2002. One of the first things I did when I got out here was make the pilgrimage to the Haight like it was some mystical place like the Waling Wall. When I got there at the corner of Haight and Ashbury there was a fucking Gap store. So much for Peace, Love, and Non Materialism. Then after a few trips back and realizing that I was surrounded by Yuppies, Tourists, and the aformentioned Gutter Punks in tie-die I realized that I had been duped. Hell the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic is in the Mission now. Stay Brown, Rev J
Having known real punks in the 70s and considering myself something of a hippy/head I agree with Kenny that punks and hippies are about as far apart as you can get. Real punks back in the day were all about violence and hate, nothing on common with peace and love. As far as going to California for some kind of hippie pilgrimage to see the "real" hippies in the Haight your about 40 years to late, as the Rev said nothing but posers there.
Over here in the uk punks weren't that keen on hippies at first but they got on ok in the end as can be seen by the characters in the sit com 'The Young Ones'. However I witnessed fights between 'punks' and 'teds'. Then the punks had a few fights with bikers who just ripped the punk's nose to ear chains out (remember the face jewellry?) and the punks couldn't run fast cos of the chains between their legs! Anti-establishment for most punks was just an excuse for a punch up. Most of the hippies were interested in politics, spirituality, living in squats or like the people I hung about with -supported individual causes if they felt strongly about the cause and weren't too stoned to do anything about it! Loved music, smoking, and goofing about. Hope you don't mind my input
Be not a label - Be an Indvidual - It is a major; though not complete trait about being a Hippie. Conviction of conscience and faith of credo is the way, however you see it
To look at me and not know my personality, and to then immediately lump me into a meta-category, "hippy" would probably be one of the last categories chosen. However, I feel as though I embrace many of the facets that defined the people called hippies in the past (not just the 60s, but the people before and after who thought 'differently' about things). However, you would have to get to know me before that became apparent. I have a 'business-man's' haircut, slicked back with hair product (usually Brylcreem- the stuff from the Hollywood Golden Era). I am either clean shaven or sport a very well-trimmed goatee (usually in the winter). I dress like a 40 year old in a 'business-casual' style- button down shirt (not tucked in), chino/khaki slacks (sometimes jeans), etc. I don't smoke Cannabis (currently, I have in the past and would again in the future), I eat meat, don't eschew driving a car, etc. I guess if you were to say what 'type' of hippy I was, it would be something along the lines of the non-hipster Beat Generation free-thinkers. I am not in a 'crowd' or anything, but I share most traits with people like William Burroughs (not that I am anywhere as interesting or intelligent as him!). I am a secret opioid addict. I take amphetamines daily, but enjoy an occasional psychedelic trip. I am 'educated' but don't really have a steady source of employment. I play jazz in a real jazz band (not a school-sponsored one), and I just feel most similar to people from that era. Like them, I still dress and look like the 'normals' but hidden below that is a different type of person. Sorry to ramble and ramble but I decided to take an afternoon dose of 25mg of Vyvanse (Dextroamphetamine), so I feel talkative, but, alas, all of my friends have moved to other parts of the country and I live alone in a studio apartment...
in reality there's no such thing as hippies or punks, or goths, emos, or even those icp lovers that I can't think of the name of right now . We're all just people man, and thats all we'll ever be. Am I a hippy? If you would choose to label me that it is up to you, I personally don't think I am anything, I just believe in the dream of world peace, I prefer to walk around barefoot, and don't eat much meat, and of course smoke alot of pot and listen to the dead. If that is your definition of a hippy then more power to you man. I think the world would be a much better place if we got rid of stereotypes and decided to think in the rainbow a bit more, we as people make our people beautiful if we choose to be beautiful, if one color of the rainbow is off the whole rainbow goes off.
You can proclaim what you are your whole life but other people will always call you different things anyway
my favorite is people who identify with but don't go out of the way to wear the label. in it's classic sense it's worn out and easily ridiculed, but there's just no modern word to replace what we see today as the equivalent of what hippies did. Today the circumstances and styles are different, but there's no new word to identify the core values. The imporant principles associated with the word have nothing to do with wearing the stereotypes.
There are lots of words: Adventure! Joie de vivre. Joy of Life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joie_de_vivre Chasing the Romance of Life. Hot awesome Loves. Free Bud. Eat, Drink, and be Merry! Quit your day job and create your own gig, so that you can make enough money to live, and also Make the Time for Living It. Create YOU. :sunny:
Guys, really... before being hippie, or goth, or doctors, or firemen, or whatever, we're human beings. We can be whatever we want to be. We have stereotypes, ok, it's fine. But we shouldn't judge people just on them, people are much more than that. My two cents...