Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

Now that waterbrother has characterized the lessons of the holy spirit.

God's command is eternal life, not immortality if he cares to make a distinction.
So his whole argument that i teach immortality is false, based on his definitions. It serves no good purpose to attempt to characterize what I say as opposed to discussing things. It is a waste of time.

I have said that the body dies, but that you are not a body. The body is a communication device, it is not you, you do not die with the body.


As for being familiar with death, my wife died in my arms as I was giving cpr. I was in a heightened state of awareness given the gravity of the situation. At the moment of her death, I knew it had occurred because I felt the faintest whisper of a cool breeze, lift up up from her and pass directly through the whole of me. There is more to tell, but it is personal and would be met with incredulity.

 

As to I am has sent me. God has given me my being, that is how I know him and relate to him, he is my i am-ness.

 

Since you are there deja, do you see what i mean about the ego being an impostor to being?

 

Listen to the arrogance of what you are saying, there is no being such as i am.

A death sentence is a death sentence no matter what form it takes.

I am not a psychiatrist, but I am a physician. So you think there is meaning there after all. My meaning is not to apply what I am saying to the bible and make the bible conform, I am applying what is written in the bible to life. I am not trying to change gods word by your definition.
Are you now calling your spirit buddy, holy spirit light?

Well, you quoted a scripture, what does it have to do with the blessing I gave you? I never indicated that I deny the holy spirit in any fashion, and I have not.

Then you speak against the holy spirit. What god gives is truly given and I am baptized in the holy spirit.

Understand waterbrother that none of this language that you are speaking, is found in the kingdom of heaven and every breath you take in this direction leads farther away from gods kingdom. That is accusing your brother, your brothers, all of us, of being guilty.

Have you told me?

 

Let's see what the True Holy Spirit has to say about the dead:
The soul that is sinning—it itself will die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish. (Psalm 146:4)
Well imagine that, thedope's spirit buddy as usual doesn't doesn't agree with what God's servants have written while inspired of Holy Spirit.

 

How doesn't it agree?

 

Well since there is no "I am" and no "I am-ness", it seems once again you are speaking non-sense.

 

Again, if you are not who you are, who are you?

I am telling you that god gives life to me, my god given spirit.

Why do you think the burning bush said tell them I am has sent you, when they ask who sent you, then going on to say something that cannot be pronounced?

Is it tetramegatron, excuse me if I didn't get that quite right, or jehovah. Because if it is the first, then it is a symbol for something beyond perception. If it is jehovah, well then you a have happened on a private special belief that if no one shares, are all doomed.

You condemn me because I do not believe what I cannot believe. God is closer to me than my own hand and nearer to me than my own heart. I am confused as to how you think to be the sole, or soul, as in ego, arbiter of the word of god.

 

A graven image is one carved out of stone or wood.

You have made of the bible, being definitely carved out of wood, an idol.

 

Arrogance? It is not arrogance to speak the truth.

Actually no, A death sentence just means you will die, the "damned" you speak of entails a going to a pagan concept of "hell" that would include an eternity of pain and suffering and since there is no such thing, I cannot now be talking about being "damned" nor have I ever talked about such.

The only meaning is that what you said is meaningless and the only thing that you are trying to apply to life, is man's wisdom.

I never said that the Scripture had anything to do with the blessing, the Scripture is also a blessing to those who apply it.

As for your denying the Holy Spirit, instead of just accepting the blessing I gave you, you instead tried to say that I was somehow trying to "limit god's blessing by determining what it must be". Seeing as I was just quoting a Scripture that means that you were denying what had been written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Once again the Holy Spirit does not disagree with itself and our conversation is filled with me pointing out how your spirit buddy disagrees with what was written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, just see the above.

Also your teaching of Satan's first lie, you shall not die, as if it was truth is a total denial of God and the Holy Spirit.

You have no Idea what the kingdom of God is, let alone what is found in it.

As for this "guilty" that you keep talking about, I will not deny what has been authored by God and written down by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and will keep speaking the truth, no matter how you try to twist it.

Almost constantly but it seems your spirit buddy doesn't want you to hear the truth.

 

Your whole position is arrogant, an ego device. The ego identifies itself by being separate. It seeks to separate. You do not want my salvation, you want everyone one here to know, that I am wrong so to speak. Such a thing you stated here in this thread. You condemn me for a role you assign me, you have to, otherwise, you would not be saved. You could not remain separate and above me and you would have your salvation rest on my defeat.

If you cannot call me brother, then call me enemy and do as christ has instructed. You will not long be an enemy to one you love.

What is it you say about quibbling over terms? A death sentence is a death sentence, no matter the form it takes.

Then your response was what, you can't have blessing unless you apply the scripture?

I was teaching as the holy spirit taught me. I was not trying to limit your blessing. When you say that I am not of the holy spirit, then you have limited your blessing and turned it into a curse.

You are disagreeing with me, not the other way round.

You have no Idea what the kingdom of God is, let alone what is found in it.

I do not teach satans first lie as, you shall not die, but that you were unlike god. Does god die?

If the abode of god is heaven and heaven and earth shall pass away, what happens to god?
That would be your spirit of guilt then.

If your truth is that I am without god's holy spirit, how can I listen to it?

 

That is not what is being talked about and you know it.

God gives life to all and not just you.

Once again, I do not condemn anyone and do not have the power or the authority to do so and if you continue to keep saying so, I will begin to start calling you a liar for doing so, because by now you should know better.

You just won't listen to anyone will you? I have never said anything about being "the sole, or soul, as in ego, arbiter of the word of god", I merely point out how what you say conflicts with what God's word says. You pick out a phrase from the Bible and say it means this or that, without any regard for what the rest of the Bible says and then when I point out that the rest of the Bible disagrees with you on the matter, you get on you high horse and accuse me of arrogance and of thinking that I'm "the sole, or soul, as in ego, arbiter of the word of god" but the truth is that I'm doing no more than what anyone who is familiar with God's Word the Bible could and should do.

 

This whole "I am" thing is a misunderstanding of the original language Scriptures and thus is not a Biblical concept.

As for the tetragrammaton and it's pronunciation, it seems your spirit buddy has neglected your your education again, perhaps this will help.

Since you seem to think I'm just making it up, perhaps you will listen to the words of others.

Judaism teaches that while God’s name exists in written form, it is too holy to be pronounced. The result has been that, over the last 2,000 years, the correct pronunciation has been lost. Yet, that has not always been the Jewish position. About 3,500 years ago, God spoke to Moses, saying: “Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: The LORD [Hebrew: הוהי, YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, this My appellation for all eternity.” (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 135:13) What was that name and appellation? The footnote to the Tanakh states: “The name YHWH (traditionally read Adonai “the LORD”) is here associated with the root hayah ‘to be.’” Thus, we have here the holy name of God, the Tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew consonants YHWH (Yahweh) that in their Latinized form have come to be known over the centuries in English as JEHOVAH.

Throughout history, the Jews have always placed great importance on God’s personal name, though emphasis on usage has changed drastically from ancient times. As Dr. A. Cohen states in Everyman’s Talmud: “Special reverence [was] attached to ‘the distinctive Name’ (Shem Hamephorash) of the Deity which He had revealed to the people of Israel, viz. the tetragrammaton, JHVH.” The divine name was revered because it represented and characterized the very person of God. After all, it was God himself who announced his name and told his worshipers to use it. This is emphasized by the appearance of the name in the Hebrew Bible 6,828 times. Devout Jews, however, feel it is disrespectful to pronounce God’s personal name.

Concerning the ancient rabbinic (not Biblical) injunction against pronouncing the name, A. Marmorstein, a rabbi, wrote in his book The Old Rabbinic Doctrine of God: “There was a time when this prohibition [of the use of the divine name] was entirely unknown among the Jews . . . Neither in Egypt, nor in Babylonia, did the Jews know or keep a law prohibiting the use of God’s name, the Tetragrammaton, in ordinary conversation or greetings. Yet, from the third century B.C.E. till the third century A.C.E. such a prohibition existed and was partly observed.” Not only was the use of the name allowed in earlier times but, as Dr. Cohen says: “There was a time when the free and open use of the Name even by the layman was advocated . . . It has been suggested that the recommendation was based on the desire to distinguish the Israelite from the [non-Jew].”

What, then, brought about the prohibition of the use of the divine name? Dr. Marmorstein answers: “Hellenistic [Greek-influenced] opposition to the religion of the Jews, the apostasy of the priests and nobles, introduced and established the rule not to pronounce the Tetragrammaton in the Sanctuary [temple in Jerusalem].” In their excessive zeal to avoid taking the divine name in vain, they completely suppressed its use in speech and subverted and diluted the identification of the true God. Under the combined pressure of religious opposition and apostasy, the divine name fell into disuse among the Jews.

However, as Dr. Cohen states: “In the Biblical period there seems to have been no scruple against [the divine name’s] use in daily speech.” The patriarch Abraham “invoked the LORD by name.” (Genesis 12:8) Most of the writers of the Hebrew Bible freely but respectfully used the name right down to the writing of Malachi in the fifth century B.C.E.—Ruth 1:8, 9, 17.

It is abundantly clear that the ancient Hebrews did use and pronounce the divine name. Marmorstein admits regarding the change that came later: “For in this time, in the first half of the third century [B.C.E.], a great change in the use of the name of God is to be noticed, which brought about many changes in Jewish theological and philosophical lore, the influences of which are felt up to this very day.” One of the effects of the loss of the name is that the concept of an anonymous God helped to create a theological vacuum in which Christendom’s Trinity doctrine was more easily developed.—Exodus 15:1-3.

The refusal to use the divine name diminishes the worship of the true God. As one commentator said: “Unfortunately, when God is spoken of as ‘the Lord,’ the phrase, though accurate, is a cold and colorless one . . . One needs to remember that by translating YHWH or Adonay as ‘the Lord’ one introduces into many passages of the Old Testament a note of abstraction, formality and remoteness that is entirely foreign to the original text.” (The Knowledge of God in Ancient Israel) How sad to see the sublime and significant name Yahweh, or Jehovah, missing from many Bible translations when it clearly appears thousands of times in the original Hebrew text!—Isaiah 43:10-12.

 

I asked you what do you think the voice in the burning bush meant when it said tell them I am has sent you? It is not a biblical concept, it is a spiritual one.
As for the tetragrammaton and it's pronunciation, it seems your spirit buddy has neglected your your education again, perhaps this will help.

I do not think you are making it up. I think someone gave it to you, and it wasn't jehovah, because jehovah isn't in the bible

So the name is not tetragrammaton, or jehovah, but yahweh, associated with the root "to be". To be or not to be, I am. Do I have that correct?

Are you saying you are a jew?

Whoever you are quoting here has it exactly opposite. An abstract name produces an abstract vision. The voice said tell them I am has sent you, exactly so they would know who it was. My lord when spoken with the spirit is not cold and colorless.
As I said it is not a name forbidden to be pronounced, it is a name that is cannot be pronounced, as in, no one can look upon the face of god and survive.

I'm now confused as to whether it is this man you believe or the bible

 

Yes it is and you don't.

Exactly, we are all created in the likeness and image of god.

Why not call me liar, you already call me blasphemer. Like I said you r belief has caused you to condemn everyone in your mind, thinking that it is the truth. No you cannot in fact condemn anyone but yourself and you do so of you hold sin against your brother.

Like I said, your way or the highway, or high horse is it. Pure egomania. You are not listening.

 

It is not arrogant to speak the truth.

It is arrogant to use man's wisdom to try and turn aside God's wisdom

I want you to have salvation but you deny the way to salvation, the Christ's sacrifice.

Okay, I warned you, this is a bold faced lie, and you by repeatedly telling this lie, show who your father is and where your spirit buddy comes from.

And this shows that you have not listened to a thing I have said.

My salvation has nothing to do with you, let alone your defeat.

I am not now nor have I ever been an enemy to you and I continue show love to you by telling you the truth even though you do not listen and you call me things like arrogant and tell me that I think I am above you.

Try to actually read what I have said for once.

"A death sentence just means you will die, the "damned" you speak of entails a going to a pagan concept of "hell" that would include an eternity of pain and suffering and since there is no such thing, I cannot now be talking about being "damned" nor have I ever talked about such."

Are you really this mislead?

So now you're cursing me, oh great.

Yeah right, I'm disagreeing with you. I'm merely pointing out where you disagree with the God's word the Bible and thus what was written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Yep, that is what I said.

You are correct, God does not die but we are not like God in all respects and immortality is one of those things that we are not like God in and to say we are is teaching Satan's first lie, you shall not die.

Please don't take scriptures out of context to try and ask stupid questions. Neither the abode of God or the abode of man is to be destroyed.

If I were you I wouldn't call the Holy Spirit my spirit of guilt, that sound a lot like blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Because it is the truth.

 

Waterbrother, peace to you. I ask only for your blessing.

 

Lord jesus christ, have mercy on me.

 

thedope:

Yes.

To see it as becoming, as health and aid to the self, requires nothing you do not possess.

"Manners are not idle, but the fruit. Of loyal nature and of noble mind."

-Tennyson

 

I think Christianity is great teaching and philosophy. I just cant get into the human sacrifice part. Say the Christ was murdered. Innocent man killed type thing. That I might be able to get into more cause I'm definitely anti-death penalty.