My 2 trips in 2 days with Ms Salvia..not dementia, but divine. How can she mean harm?

First of all I'd like to say that I have only done 3 "drugs" in my life: marijuana, LSD, and now Salvia. I guess I should add that I have never experienced hallucinations (as in, open eye visuals to something that's not there) even on LSD (and Salvia now), although I blame RC floating around. I would like to say that Salvia did not give me the crazy effects I've heard on here, but rather a radical mind shift, way more powerful than cannabis. However, I could still function, still distinguish reality from non reality, and even drive (after the initial 5-10 mins tapered off...too lazy to do it before).

Second, this is what I feel like after salvia :sunny:. Not even marijuana comes close to the positive mood lift and energy I feel even next morning after a salvia trip, which is strange because I smoke 1/5 the amount and is way more powerful, salvia divinorium is.

My final note before I begin my explanation: I truly hope I'm respecting salvia's spirit by openly discussing my reports on a public forum, the way I see it she wants me to learn more about her and does not mind the collecting of knowledge about her mysterious ways. I might be wrong though.

1ST TRIP

Very anxious. Did this on a dark side farm road surrounded by scary trees in my car. It was pitch black as I turned my car off. Loaded 20x salvia that was in a vial into my pipe - about 1/3 of a bowl. Didn't want to feel too much the first time as I was very hesitant about people hearing voices etc. Light it with my torch lighter after asking Virgin Mary (diviner's sage soul apparently) for a good trip. Inhale, after 20 seconds I blow it out.

Very distinct mind shift. Suddenly I feel as though I am with a group of good-hearted salvia spirits and am talking to them in my head. I think the "group of people or souls" I was feeling the presence of is talking about me and whether I should be given another hit or not. I manage to realize that the group has come to a conclusion that the group approves of another hit and this makes me smile and giggle a bit. Kind of like "alright alright bastards, I'll take another hit." Don't remember loading my 2nd hit but it was a small pinch and hold it in again for 20 secs.

The rest of the trip is spent in my mind with me thinking profound thoughts - I should note that this is kind of like marijuana with the deep thinking. I am still fully able to distinguish reality and even become more of a realist as I think that how is it possible for my mind NOT to tell reality from high feelings, surely that's madness. Also, the whole time in my car Kid Cudi was playing and the music sounded WONDERFUL. didn't ruin my trip at all, infact enhanced it as I listened to music the whole trip and felt in tune. Think I had some fractal CEV but very minimal and what I have after closing my eyes in a black room after watching TV.

Only slightly badly part of the trip: I realize I need to pee. It's pitch black outside and my worst fear is seeing a ghost or demon or witch or whatever may roam deserted areas, for that is where I like to be most. Anyway, I see a black object to my far left beside the trees and get pretty scared as I'm peeing. It looks like a dark man standing there and I kind of begin to think that the dark thing is moving towards me. However, I realized that I was THINKING this; it's really not moving, and unless I see it with my 2 eyes it's my mind being paranoid. Salvia is similar to my previous cannabis experiences again, apparently. Nothing much happened after that. Drove back home (~1 hour after peak), listening to Kid Cudi, got intense euphoria of just being there, driving down a deserted road with the windows open and the fall leaves around me. Surprisingly, the scary setting had no impact. Felt very nice, no side effects after. Just the positive mood.

2ND TRIP

Decide to go out to a grassy field or pasture, as it is sunny and good weather and I experienced very pleasant effects while on salvia yesterday. Find a good spot on the hill to watch the sun, away from civilization, out comes the salvia, ceramic pipe, and torch lighter.

This time my plan was to smoke a big pinch, and that is what I did. Inhale, 20 secs, out. I start feeling the mind shift and somewhat gravity pull that I felt the last trip - it didn't pull me or anything, I could move around freely, but it sort of grounds you so you feel lazy and non-moveable. Anyway I sit there and just start to think about a lot of stuff. My first thought is I'm kind of hoping for open eye visuals or voices this time so you need to take another hit. So I take another hit of about 1/3 the bowl. This does nothing, and somewhere in between I took one more hit. So 3 hits of salvia so far, and I start feeling pretty hungry. So I get up and while walking back I start having these very weird spiritual thoughts.

The first thought or feeling that I had was that something (Virgin Mary maybe) was watching over me, and was waiting for me on the other side of the spiritual realm. I had this feeling that she wouldn't let me die earlier than I had to so I'd just have to make the best of my life. I start to perceive that everything is kind of unified in this "oneness". Then I start questioning how there could be an alternative realm if you die. I mean, you die. Everything on earth functions like that. It dies and is lifeless. How people think they will die and wake up in heaven with their body and eyes functioning was hard for me to conceive. Your brain dies as it is not functional anymore so how could one even think that their brain would function or even be used in another life is beyond me.

Then I get this strange feeling that the salvia is asking me "why do you need to know this? Why do you want to see alternate realities and journeys when it only lasts for 5 mins and then you start living the only tangible life that you can actually confirm you have? This is enough for you because this is all you need". It's this feeling as if the stuff we don't know about like alternate realities and beings are too complicated and we're here on earth just to do our job and die, just like the Mayans.

So I'm kind of confused after these 2 trips. Should I smoke more? Or is my life really all I need to worry about?

A general "feeling" recap after these 2 trips:

- very lazy and grounded feel after smoking

- kicks in instantly

- the feeling of someone else there, which is very cool like an imaginary friend. I could see myself taking salvia just for that - an imaginary being I could talk to. Although that has not been achieved yet as salvia has convinced me that reality is very real in fact, and I get no crazy over-the-top experiences such as voices or open eye visions.

- no hallucinations or anything that is not real

- mostly profound thought effect

- very nice afterglow

- made me question how hallucinations or voices etc could even occur. that just sounds pretty crazy, i mean seeing reality fall apart. while i was under the influence i had the impression that my mind was fighting with the "reality barrier" as in, I expected salvia to show me a different one or even an open eye visual with the merging of the world or a moving tree etc. but my mind kept telling me something like that would be impossible, you're stupid for thinking that could actually happen.

 

forget what you mind knows, when it comes to salvia, you will not mistake it when you breakthrough. it exists believe me, you simply have not been able to get a large enough hit of salvinorin. 20 seconds holding in may not be sufficient for maximum absorbtion as salvinorin A is lipophillic it is required to be held in for a long time to soak into the lung tissue.

once a large enough dose is taken, you will experience intense (arguably pleasant) feelings of electricity and vibration course through your entire body, the air seeming to have solidified around you instantaneously, that slight gravity you experienced will then increase until it becomes so immense, it will pull you down and to the right through whatever you are on, into nothingness as a tearing sound fills your hearing and all colours run together and upwards in a blur as if wet paint as you sink further and further away from all familiarity..

this is the power of salvia. do not fool yourself with small doses or inefficient dosing into believing this does not occur.

this^ happened to me, i thought i was dying, did not remember i had smoked anything at all, simply instinct kicked in, i honestly believed this was the end as such i was experiencing incredible fear as this occurred..

when i awoke i was awed by the awesome power of this compound.

and i am highly experienced with psychedelics for my age, high dose LSD and shrooms, psychedelic phenylethylamines, marijuana, dissociatives, none compare in raw power and ability to trick every sense only salvia is capable of that.

if delving to this level to you *need* (no exceptions) a tripsitter.

 

It seems you are benefitting from Salvia so that is the most important thing you should be concerned with imo.

But oxidationofterra is correct that the breakthrough dimension of Salvia are incredibly mindbending and the salvia spirits can have a very cunning, mischievious quality about them to play you for a fool so you find yourself in a trip where the remenants of your consciousness are being disemboweled into pieces by Salvia's overwhelming force. If this is the experience you desire a water pipe may be desired, and/or a couple large hits within a minute holding each one in for a bit.

 

ha! of course! he was using a regular pipe! the fact didn't even cross my mind.. lol

 

Yeah I find that the bong/water smoking device is essential for an optimal salvia trip. A pipe produces much harsher smoke that is much harder to hold in for longer periods of time. I've never broken through using a pipe; and the effects were minuscule compared to hitting the bong.

I think you should continue your spiritual explorations through salvia. Let's see if you believe in hallucinations, after being completely knocked back by the substance; breaking through the barriers of consciousness and experiencing complete emptiness first-hand.