Is white on white usually weaker than other blotter?

I know all about the different isomers of Lsd. There are pictures of crystal around by the way, you just have to know where to look. I'm not here to prove anything to you, just share info for those that want to know. I ask you this though, do you think all Lsd in the world is produced in exactly the same way? Do you think it all comes out the same quality and purity? Do you think it all looks exactly the same in crystal form? Don't you think people who handle such things need labels to describe and differentiate between different crystals, which are obviously from different producers?

If you think there is only one type of crystal LSD, you don't know much about chemistry. Period.

 

Still doesn't matter, it doesn't take a genius to see that almost anyone going to the trouble of making fucking LSD (instead of all the things that make SO much more money, that are SO much easier to make...... it'd be a lot easier to grow poppies in your front yard and make heroin, or grow weed, or just about anything, really) is going to be cleaning it up pretty decently, and frankly, the shape of the crystals ain't got shit to do with shit, as long as it's dosed right. There's lots of superstition about the qualitative effects of different crystal types, which is complete bullshit, unless it's a different lysergemide being passed off as LSD.

Again, it doesn't matter what's on your paper, it matters how it's dosed. Even supposing your LSD is only half LSD, as long as the individual making the doses takes that into account, you will have the same product as someone with 99.99% LSD.

 

Really? It doesn't mean white on one side and white on the other?

 

White on White = white pattern on white background = white paper

it has nothing to do with the quality of the crystal used, it's only a funny way of saying "Its blank white paper"

 

That's what I had been led to believe. Just white paper of varying doses.

 

One of those moments when I completely agree with Roor

The different grades of crystal LSD only speaks to how well the crystal was washed of impurities. The more rigorously the product is washed, the purer the final result, but will yield much less crystal. The more refined and washed the final product is will result in differing crystal formations, but the main molecule will still be LSD-25.

LSD-25 is LSD-25, plain an simple. The level of any residual impurities in the final product will be so minimal as to be of no effect in the human creature.
This is something that has been debated countless times from a subjective point of view, but scientifically, the purity of different "grades" of crystal is simply how clean it is, but even if "dirty" it yields no subjective difference in effects.
The difference of potency comes from how the crystal is diluted down to make the solution for laying sheets. If a person lays 3 grams of crystal of varing "grades" but uses the same titration formula for all three, the resulting hits will be different in potency.

The trick is in how the person laying the sheets does the titration calculations. If the crystal is 75% LSD and 25% residual impurities, the resulting individual hits will be ~75ug, assuming the titration was done to yield 10,000 doses per gram of crystal.

Now if the goal is a target potency per hit rather than a specific number of doses, than by increasing the concentration of LSD in the solvent, the target strength can be reached, but at the expense of yield.

All this crap and snobbery about different "grades" of LSD makes me laugh.

It reminds me of the yahoos who will only drink Fiji water or some stupid shit. IT'S FUCKING WATER PEOPLE!!!

In over 30 years of dabbling with LSD, the only differences I have ever seen had to simply do with the micro-gram weight of LSD-25 present in a hit, nothing else.

 

Sorry to say but you're just wrong.


Think about this, LSD is not created from the same precursors by everyone. There are many routes, obviously the end product will be different. They will look different and also have different impurities, generally ranging from 95 to 99 percent pure. Regardless, with other active isomers possibly present and a drug that had threshold doses at around 50ug, its not hard to think these could affect the experience different. I'm not trying to be a snob, I've eaten tons of different kinds of LSD and so have all of you. Its just different, I'm not saying you can't get 100% totally tripped out on Silver. Its just different. White on white means white fluff on white paper. I've also had people know they have silver but on white paper and they sold it as so. It is NOT a marketing ploy or some acid snobbery, its people in the know letting others know what they actually have. If you really know anything about chemistry and synthesis, this wouldn't be such a hard idea to grasp. Regardless, you obviously want to pretend that you know all there is to know so I'll quit going back and forth, its pointless. Go poke around some websites dedicated to drugs and chemistry and you can learn much much more than 99% of anyone here will know. :2thumbsup:

Next thing ya know you'll tell me all kinds of herb are all the fucking same and strains/indica/sativa and so on doesn't mean shit as well? Blah, how silly. It is like your silly water analogy. Go get water from a well tainted with Sulfur or come try some Chicago city water. Then compare that to a bottle of Evian. They are NOT the same and if ran through a chemical analysis, you'll see they contain many different chemicals and taste vastly different.

 

Not sure if you guys are joking or not, I thought that everyone just knew that it was white fluff on white paper?
If I am wrong I am wrong, but I think we need a consensus.

I also think that there are differing degrees of purity, and these might be different colors. When people lay them to blotter or dilute in liquid, if they are GOING for 100ug, and there are 5% impurities, the doses will only be 95ug. Whether or not those impurities affect the trip is something known by only a few because I think most people selling you acid won't know for sure what is on the tabs because they likely aren't high enough in the food chain to know for sure. It's just like people trying to guess dosages, there are people who guess purity.

 

Sorry to say, but I'm right.
If you know anything at all about chemistry and synthesis then you know that the desired end product is LSD-25, not anything else.
How a person goes about getting that final product is rather irrelevant as long as the final molecule is LSD-25.

Any shit left in the final product that is not LSD-25 won't be present in enough weight to elicit any effect in humans.
That is based on SCIENCE, not urban hippie myth and "Wow, I tripped so hard..." type of evidence.

The only difference of any significance between different "grades" of LSD is the percentage of LSD-25 by weight in the crystal.

Concerning your weed analogy, FAIL!
Cannabis's effects are the result of hundreds of different cannabinoids in varing percentages by weight. LSD is the only active ingredient in LSD, you do understand that, don't you? Anything else sitting on that blotter that isn't LSD-25 also isn't going to have any effect on you.

 

I'm lovin' the heat here
But.. what's the deal with the "Brown Acid" that was circulating Woodstock 69? It "caused" a load of bad trips.. could that have been due to impurities? or was it even acid?

 

YES!

everything was cheaper back then, dude.

i would guess that people DON'T take purity into consideration when they dose a sheet. if it's 80% pure, you probably end up with 80 ug doses instead of 100 ug. if it's 99% pure, you end up getting more LSD per dose, so it's better!

but the microgram weight of LSD present in a hit, is influenced by the microgram weight of impurities present

 

This is true. But it still boils down to how much LSD is on the tab, not what marketing name the guy with notebook paper can apply to it. I know people who will swear up and down that it's a different experience, which is bullshit.

 

Here's an article on Erowid on LSD purity:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

 

Uhmm, Isn't that exactly what I said?
But regardless of the impurities, LSD is still LSD, there aren't different "strains" or shit, just differences in the purity, which depending on how the LSD is titrated into doses, means very little.

Less pure crystal=lower strength hits, NOT a "different" type of LSD.

 

They were brown tablets that were a strong dose of LSD and DOM (known as STP at the time) combined and resulted in very heavy trips.
Tried to find where I had read about it but with no luck.

 

White on white blotter, never reaching the end,
Letters I've written, never meaning to send.
Beauty I'd always missed with these eyes before.
Just what the truth is, I can't say anymore.

'Cos I love you, yes I love you, oh how I love you.

Gazing at people, some hand in hand,
Just what I'm going through they can't understand.
Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend,
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end.

And I love you, yes I love you,
Oh how I love you, oh how I love you.

White on white blotter, never reaching the end,
Letters I've written, never meaning to send.
Beauty I've always missed, with these eyes before.
Just what the truth is, I can't say anymore.

'Cos I love you, yes I love you,
Oh how I love you, oh how I love you.
'Cos I love you, yes I love you,
Oh how I love you, oh how I love you.

Breath deep
The gathering gloom
Watch lights fade
From every room
Bedsitter people
Look back and lament
Another day's useless
penny is spent

Impassioned lovers
Wrestle as one
Lonely man cries for love
And has none
New mother picks up
And suckles her son
Senior citizens
Wish they were young

Cold hearted orb
That rules the night
Removes the colours
From our sight
Red is gray and
Yellow white
But we decide
Which is right
And
Which is an Illusion

Dont even ask how it come to mind.. :love:

 

This is paranoid superstition, plain and simple.

And no, you won't get different active isomers, if you have LSD-25, there is one active isomer, we just covered this. The others might have minuscule effects, but so little they haven't even been discovered to be psychoactive. And inactive left over precursers won't do anything either, in those dosages.

Now, I HAVE had acid that simply did not last as long, and acid that has lasted longer. Some I take a while to fall asleep at like 13 hours and can still see walls breathe, some I'm set at 8.... While this can be dose dependent, I would not be surprised if that blotter simply had a different lysergemide on it. That's unfortunate, but it's not a grade of LSD, it's just not LSD.

 

I've read about that, but only on forums. I think skip mentioned it.

.....I'd love DOM. But not with the retarded doses that the retarded people (hell's angels) who had it dosed it in.

 

i agree. but it could still form a different type of CRYSTAL. i could believe that 99% pure LSD would form a clear/white crystal, whereas 85% or 60% would be discolored - hence lavender/amber etc.

 

I'm glad someone else posted that article for a change.

I like this girl.