Penn State Child Sex Scandal: Sandusky Guilty!

people are furious with joe paterno because he is famous sandusky is a nobody so hes not getting as much heat

 

Sandusky was interviewed and stated that while he showered with young boys he never touched them inappropriately, and his attorney stated that Sandusky is just a big kid at heart (i.e. the Michael Jackson Defense) and liked to goof around with the boys

Unbelievable


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Heres a piece of reality folks that isn't gonna make anybody any happier. This case is really nothing special either in the number of victims or the violations themselves. This one catches the headlines cause it's real juicy...boys as victims and famous people implicated. The sad thing is that lots of kids suffer every bit as much as these kids...but they aren't connected to anything famous. An uncle, stepdad, moms boyfriend got them. Nothing exciting here. And it has been part of human nature forever.

Many Native people have had this kind of problem in their village/tribe/community and have rejected the "american" way of dealing with the problem. They incorporate the perpatrator into the healing process for the victim. They are less interested in the aspect of punishment and totally concerned with healing ...not just for the victims but also the person who violated them. It helps the victim to know that what they experienced was wrong but takes away the notion that they have to be permanently scarred from it. It is not about forgetting but about accepting and perhaps forgiving. Some of those who violate children come to develop empathy. Some become teachers and protectors of children. It's a different cultural approach and for them it works.

For someone as flagrantly out of control as Sandusky apparently was this approach probably wouldn't phase him. There are people who change though. It isn't as completely hopeless as the media portrays. Good news doesn't sell you know.

What I am saying is that there are shades of gray in this phenomena. Our society seems all to ready and eager to embrace horror and doom. A healthier view looks more critically to see where hope might lay. Those with the steady disposition and open mind will be the ones who truely help the children. The reactionaries will scream for new and more extreme laws and punishment while not seeking resolution.

We humans are damned complex. The harm done to the victims can often be compounded by the ravings of those who tell the children "you are scarred for life" "You have been ruined" Crazy as it might sound, some of the children really love those who violated them. They want the violations to stop but they don't want to lose the person who did the violating. While this is not universally true, it is more often true than most people realize. It might explain why some kids never come forward with what happened to them.

Hows that for muddying the water? I'm not an expert in this field but I've worked with it for more years than I care to think about.

 

There's a difference between sharing a bed with kids clothed (something parents and relatives themselves do), and showering naked with kids for very obvious reasons against their will. Not to mention he did this on school property, from what I recall hearing.

You're right, that is incredibly messed up to hear that. Being a kid at heart shouldn't make you want to see another boy naked. It's gross. Who does he think he's trying to fool? The attorney must really hate his job....

 

well to tell you the truth i love both nelson and mandella but i never liked theresa

but check this video out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRMZzF1uCdY​

 

In a bizarre twist the attorney representing Sandusky impregnated a 16 year old girl; married her, and they’ve since separated. So he probably understands what Sandusky is going through since there was some question for a time about the girls age whether she was 15 (illegal in the state of Pennsylvania) or 16 (legal)


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Sandusky's recent TV interview nearly made me punch the television screen. He is one evil monster indeed. The language he used to describe his 'actions' completely attempted to remove ANY culpability from himself. He calmly talks to the reporter acting like it is NORMAL to "horse around" with young boys in the shower. WTF! He is 56 years old or some shit.

THEN, on top of that, it took him about 15 seconds to answer the question "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?" Literally. He stumbled over his words and came up with one sick, twisted, half-assed answer. The worst part was how he acted like placing his fucking hand on a 10 year old's thigh! Like that is some 'normal' part of life that 'all' adults do with non-relative children!!

I just can't stand this dude and it really bothers me for some reason. I think that after I actually READ the 24 page Grand Jury report, I was so devastated that any member of our species could be so evil, that I have been captivated by the case ever since. I just hope with all of my heart that none of his victims kill themselves or end up disabled for life or some awful shit in reaction to what he did to them.

 

Sandusky doesn’t care what you or I think he’s only interested in sending a message to Tim Curley and Gary Schultz that he’s willing to stick with the company line (if they will) when they lied to the grand jury that Mike McQueary only reported that Sandusky was goofing around with the boys in the shower.

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I heard part of the interview on the radio and it struck me how Sandusky seemed to think it was perfectly normal for a middle aged man to shower and horse around with boys. If it's any consolation, he did a lot of work for the prosecution.

As for the Catholic church, I'd expect that the abuse is disproportionate as a side effect of the church's insistence that its clergy take vows of celibacy. The subset of people willing to conduct life under those constraints will deliver a greater proportion of men willing to target children.

 

If a cougar is an older woman wanting sex with a younger man, what is an older man wanting sex with a younger boy, a nittany lion?

 

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one day all these cocksuckers and their enablers will get caught.

 

Collectively the nation expresses concern and compassion for the victims, known and unknown, of Sandusky et al. Yet the ripple effect of this crime touches far more people than will ever be discussed in this forum or any other type of public discourse. The suspicion and taint of pedophile reaches out to every man who ruffles a boy’s hair, who hugs a kid, who pauses to watch a group of kids playing. What about the man who gives his time to teach kids the fun of a sport? It casts doubt on the intent of every man who chooses to free a kid from the hell of an orphanage. It locks lonely kids away from the human touch and embrace that feels so reaffirming.

After 9/11 and continuing to this day every Muslim in the United States has become suspect. Regardless of any positive traits, skills or attributes they may have, they are regarded with suspicion or malice or hatred. Not for anything they did, simply because they have something in common with the diseased fundamentalists that struck us. In the 1980's there was a crazed witch hunt for daycare providers who were under a cloud of suspicion because somebody somewhere may have violated a kid. Those old enough to remember that era will remember how insane it was. Many good lives were destroyed. Idiotic laws and regulations were created that protect no one but add piles of pointless paperwork.

Now we're at it again. Without doubt at Penn State innocent boys were sacrificed in the name of greed and fame. Most certainly we have to backtrack and sniff at any whiff of possible wrong doing. We owe it to the known and potential victims. We owe it to ourselves as a society. This will need to be a nationwide effort.

Unfortunately there is going to be a lot of collateral damage to innocent men and boys if we don't use our hearts as well as our heads. We can’t afford to approach this with the mob mindset that may already be brewing. Already the process to adopt involves incredibly invasive practices, fingerprinting, state, and local and FBI checks. Psychological and psychiatric testing, references who are then requested to provide yet more names for other references. This creates a process that involves months and sometimes years while a kid sits in a hellish institution waiting for someone who will offer them a home.

I have no answers for this mess. I do have great concern that well intentioned people will be denied the chance to do good. Equally many kids will be denied the attention and affection they desperately need and want.

 

I think you don`t need to feel in that way,that is part of human nature.

 

no, i don't need a poll thanks Skip... i just happen to feel that MJ was not a child molester... he may have loved children, but i think it was in the heart sense, not the groin... i'm not a great fan of his, i just don't think he was ever guilty of molesting children...