What are your reasons...

What are your reasons for believing that Christ was no more than a man or fairy tale altogether ? Why do you believe this ? What understandings or perceptions lead you to this, and where did you discover them ?

I'm asking out of pure curiosity and I am not here to change your beliefs or even to challenge them. I simply want to know why you think the way you do. What facts or lines of evidence to you draw from, if any ?

Just be honest. I will not say you are right or wrong, I just want to read some honest, heartfelt testimonies on behalf of your belief system.

I believe he is real. But again, I want to know what you think in a safe environment. This is such a place. Trust me, and I will trust you.

Your friend,


RambleON

 

I don't believe Christ was of fairy tale origin. Jesus, it's pretty certain, was indeed a real man. Now the Virgin birth and the raising from the dead, that's where things get a little shaky. The one thing we have to go by is a book written hundreds of years ago that is supposed to be the word of God. There's not very much substantial evidence that it really is, at least evidence that doesn't come from the book its self. I'd need more evidence than can come from one book to prove such extraordinary miracles.

Anyways, I'm not trying to challenge or damage anyone's beliefs or belittle them. I'm stating my honest opinion.

Peace and light, Diana

 

Thank you Diana. Nobody in this tread will challenge you or make you feel uncomfortable. Here, it's about sharing why or why not you believe a certain thing, biased on how you interpret life and your experience in it.

If you care to elaborate more I would be excited to listen.

Thank you for sharing.

 

I think he was human because I think he needed to be loved. It's hard for me to imagine someone having friends and followers if they have no need to be loved.

I think people imagine Jesus as this perfect untouchable God, but I don't think they're really thinking about this realistically. There wouldn't be any point in speaking to the fellow. He would be almost robotic. And why speak parables if no one has any opportunity of living up to your standard? Just to be cruel to them because they're so stupid?

So I don't know if he even existed, but if he did I don't think he could escape all the relationships and need for love we all deal with. Which equals human to me.

 

I only know that I don't know everything. I am aware that I'm on a sometimes guided spiritual journey. It is less critical that I win any debate as to the source of the guiding and more important that I heed the cues and clues.

I would NEVER say that Jesus was a fairy tale character because I'm not qualified to do so. Besides, attacking a central figure in another faith as fairy tale is an attack on another persons spiritual path which to me is unspeakably evil in my estimation. Declaring a Hindu, devout Jew, Islamist, Buddhist, Christian or whatever that their beliefs are either a waste or a recipe for spiritual destruction likely only ensures my own. It to me is a dangerous brand of arrogance.


:sunny:

 

Thanks neonspectrualtoast and stink.

@foot It's interesting to me that you mentioned being qualified to decide one way or the other on anything. No one person is more qualified than another, in anything related to truth. Everybody is qualified, just some are blinded. This is just my take on the matter. To accept them all as possible truths is to deny your own path. Again, just a thought.

Thanks for sharing really, very interesting to myself and others I hope.

 

Jesus was the son of God just like the rest of us are the sons and daughters of God.

 

christ was more then a man, only in the same way that every other major revealer of organized belief was, that the one same unknowable big friendly and invisible chose him, along with and equally so all the rest of them, to be channelled by. other then that, yes, he was a man, as other men. and it wasn't for three years of preaching peace that he was exicuted, but MUCH more likely having to do with what christianity doesn't come out and tell us, but does hint at with one tantalizing incident, of what he had actually been doing in those 30 years PRIOR to his revelation.

 

I don't believe he is real or fake. There doesn't seem to be any real proof that a man named Jesus Christ ever lived. If there is any, please someone share it. And I've never heard any hard evidence that he performed miracles of any kind, and if he did so, then there are many things he could have been that someone wrote about and made him into a savior, son of God. I believe he could have been real but the Bible embellished greatly. Who really knows, maybe he was a witch.

This is why I don't practice any one religion. There is no way to know what is true and what isn't. I think every belief is right according to the person who believes it in their heart. I believe anything is possible so I'm just a spiritual person.

 

Interesting, thanks for sharing La Principessa.

 

For me it is not about the man but the message, and the message has been passed down through the years and ages of man.
Though when that message is to Love one another, to throw out the money lenders (bankers) from the temples (seats of power) to question authority and preached Peace, it is not a bad Credo to follow -whoever (Christ) or whatever (message) that is.
For me I have faith in a pathway of longer ago, though I still have to respect that message that is out there for those to follow

 

hey billy, good read man. thanks for sharing your reasons and insight. if you care to go deeper I'm all ears.

 

I've thought this too. What was it he actually did to get him executed? I've guessed, based on the NT writings, that it was for chasing out the money changers and preaching that 'unclean' people can go to the the temple too.
There had to have been a real conspiracy to get him charged and sentenced to death.

 

Because people can't come back from death, heal the blind by touch, fly, sing halleleuah and be an immortal prophet at one time.

 

He was put to the cross as prophesied by early propfits, and always part of God's plan. He was the fulfillment of what God had planned and as expressed by Isiah, Daniel, and others. He was sent to die, rise again only to return very soon. There is no secret rapture. King Jesus is not going to take the believers and leave the rest to the Apocalypse. He will return after all prophesy is all fulfilled, and only once. His second return. He died as a means to save our souls, save our grace in and with God. After all, man has been deceived so great by the fallen Satan, almost from the get go.

He was crucified because he rattled the praises tradition in their control and corrupt handling of what God wants and they behaved in hypocrisy, sin and pride. Dealing out like man does. The praises of those days are like the Catholic Church today. Nothing new under the sun.

They wanted him dead because he was the truth, the way and the path to God and redemption and salvation. The light. This truth, his signs and wonders and followers were exploding in numbers in such a way that it alarmed the status quo of corrupt religious leaders (praises). He had to die, be rid of in order for man to control other men per usual. Nothing new. It happens today.

But that don't matter. Any reason does not matter. he was sent her for this purpose because God loved us and send us a redeemer.

Don't forget this was promised to happen, and Jesus knew this was coming. He laid out his message (he was God's word in human flesh), founded a Church (a church is not a building, but a gathering of two or more followers of Christ). Christ is not a religion. It is a relationship.

A big issue or problem today is the majority, vast majority, confused over all the deceptive work of Satan and his ploys of propaganda (to included science as Godlike, evolution and chaos on earth).

There are things we cannot comprehend. We are in a locked in time, space. We are human and have human understandings. Which pride is a big block getting to real truth. That and deception on a VAST scale. In every arena. God is not locked by anything. He is that He is.



This is just my take on it. Not challenging anyone. Just talking. Now if anyone disagrees please don't flame me. Just kindly state your view.

And what would this be ? In your own words, kind sir Thanks, I'm very interested in what you may say.

 

Thanks Kokujin for offering your opinion or belief. This thread is grow interesting with testomines of personal views. And I thank you for yous.

 

this is generally what my own speculation is based upon. looked at in the context of known history outside of biblical references, but contemporary to them, we find the temple which an adolescent jesus of nazarith, or whatever his actual mundane human name might have been, chastized the "money changers" out of, was in fact and actuallity, garrisoned by the roman equivelant of the green barettes! also who and what were these so called "money changers"? if you recal the render unto ceaser reference, you will realize that the roman occupation had imposed roman currency, hence "money changers" as a pejorative for their roman occupiers!

now some 12 year old kind DID NOT chaise out a whole unit of roman centaurians, single handedly in a fit of adolescent pique!

so what we have here, what this adds up to, is "a little child shall lead them"?

to me the evidence adds up to the adolescent jesus, having been some kind of little shining path che guvara!

and if that's what he was for the first 30 years of his life. before he met up with john the baptist, who taught him pacifism, sudenly his judical, legal, state exicution, makes a whole lot more sense, then alone having upset a few religious apple carts.

rember his "sermon on the mound". that's called soul serching, otherwise known as "how the hell did i fuck up so bad as to get myself into this kind of mess" upon facing his impending exicution.

don't worry though, none of this means his message was any less then valid. when the dove landed on his sholder, that was a symbol of god having chosen such a vehicule to be channelled by.

just the same as god chose moses, who, after all, had actually murdered someone.

 

With respect to all concerned,
I don't believe he even existed , the romans were the most excellent record keepers yet no record of his birth has ever been found . If he was truely the son of the christain god than why was so little written about his life , all you get is his birth , then when he was 12 ,i think , then basically the last year before he died .

peace be with you

 

suffering.

 

What do you mean ? I'm confused