Floer Children vs. Partiers

Hello! So most label the hippies of the 60s as freaks who were just into drugs and sex (or something along those lines). I'm guessing there probably were some phonies who were just in it for the pleasures, but I was wondering if there truly were hippies who really believed in changing the world with peace and love? Who didn't just get high to get high, but were in it for philosophical and spiritual reasons? If you could tell me of any kind, selfless, caring flower children you knew during the time, that'd be awesome! Thanks!

 

&& sorry for all of the typos !

 

oooooooh.. yes.. please stop labeling.

just be you and let others be them-self.

:love: there is no Vs.

 

Most of the freaks I knew in the 60s were genuine people who really believed they could change the way we live and think about the world and each other. At least they gave it a hell of a good try. Of course, we are all human, not saints, and things like jeolousy, paranoia etc still got in the way sometimes, but I would say that most of the people I knew had good intentions. I still know people like that and a good many old hippies who have never sold out or backed down. My moto is "Never give up" and I still live by that.

I'm not denying that there were some people who just didn't get it, even at the time, and who thought it was all about a partying lifestyle. That was only ever part of it, we paid our dues as well.

 

sorry Boogabaah, i don't really believe in labels jsut didn't know how else to describe it

&& Stillcrazy: thanks so much for your answer! it's nice to know that it wasn't justtt about partying, but good intentions

 

trywalkingbarefoot


Hum.
“Flower Children versus Partiers”
Kind of makes it sound like 2 rival football teams trying to wipe each other out, or something. LOL

Kind of make it sound like they had hard and fast rules that “Flower Children” were never aloud to party. Ever.

Or maybe that anybody who was a partier was automatically disqualified from ever being allowed to be a “Flower Child”. A Major No No.

You do see were I am going with this here? Right, trywalkingbarefoot?
Although I am totally joking around about it all as well.
But, you get the point.

LABLES? People do go and jump up and say stuff about using labels.
You’re OK with me. I like using LABLES. Using LABLES helps us to communicate clearly. To understand. Let’s use more LABLES.

I’m a hippie, I’m a freak. I’m kind of a Flower Child. I’m very proud of my labels. I earned ‘em all.

Me and my buddies were freaks. We were freaks because we were different. We were different because we chose to be different. We made a concerted effort to be different. From living life, to being, to philosophy, to loving, to our quest for our spirituality, to our pleasures, to our hair, to our learning to be more awesome in sex, to our changing the World. It was new and we were going for it. All. We were cool. We were different. We were freaks. We weren’t straight people.

That’s the way that I view the LABLE Freak. I do hope that it makes sense to you.

As for the idea of changing the World with Peace and Love?

I’m not really sure how else you would change the World. Maybe that’s just me personally. But back then, I knew a whole lot of people who felt the same way.

I mean, How else would one try and change the World but with Peace and Love?

Peanut butter and jelly didn’t work. They tried that first. Hence, Peace and Love. It seemed like a good idea. At the very least it created a scene where a whole lot of other people who wanted Peace and Love came over and hung out with you. That was way cool. You all got together. All of the like minded people. Fun World.

Back then a lot of people weren’t getting high just to get high, like they do today.
Back then very many people got real high in order to seek a spiritual quest and face. Seeking God. Seeking Truth. Seeking the Eternal. Sometime when you tripped, you couldn’t avoid walking right into God, if you tried. It all depends. Throughout all of mankind’s history and pre-history Drugs, or High, or meditation, or altered stated have always been used to seek God, and other things in that realm. Only the unwise would deny that. All of this is in the Philosophical. That is unavoidable. Medicine for the heart, and the spirit, and the head. This is for people with minds and hearts.

Of course, you are still allowed to party on a Saturday night. Right? To just get high?
And just imagine, 2 people having sex, just for fun. What could that be like???


Then there are the others, who don’t get it. Just get high. Oh well. Not for me to judge. Do what you WILL.

If you live in a space with likeminded people who believe in Peace and Love and most of the rest of the stuff above, and you are together, living in the same place and time, it would kind of make it hard not to be selfless and kind. In fact some people were even trying to strip the ego and the self, from themselves in order to try and live a truer and more open to others kind of life. Caring can become kind of contagious. Just like smiles or laughter can get contagious.


When I think of Flower Children, that LABLE, I tend to think of people in a moment in time. Like with Flowers and dancing in the park. Free spirits and light hearts. Open and flying. This kind of thing. Yes, I new some pretty pure ones, but even a Flower Child can have a bad day or just get rained on. Like I say, Moments. People. Magic. Moments. Magic. People.
Moments people. People moments. Magic. moments. Magic people.
I hope that you get this.

Keep life Fun.

Keep Smiling. :sunny:

 

haha Scorpio, I'm sorry couldn't think of a title so just typed first thing that came to my head, I know those who believed in peace and love probably also partied. but i just wanted to know if those people truly existed, because so many make it seem like JUST a party But thank you SO much for your answer! Made me smile lots I've always dreamed of a sense of community like that, everyone (at least in my city) is so afraid of each other now, you get ignored when saying "Hi!" to someone on the street. So hearing about your time during the 60s really lifted my spirits, knowing that people are capable of such a thing as that Wishing you a wonderful day!

 

Actually, I Love your Title. It is FUN.
It certainly gives the readers a place to go. And lots of ways to answer.

I also don't want to sound like I'm putting down people who don't like Lables, Either. That is a perfectly valid way to look at things, as well. It's all cool.

Yes, Flower Children really did exist and I'm sure that some still do.

Me just reading your statement "Location: Toledo, Ohio. Makes you look harder for beauty" shows to me and helps me to understand that you are right in that space and your feeling is a perfect example of where the Flower Children were coming from.

You can't just make stuff like that up. You have to truly feel it and understand it. Others who don't feel it, will never understand the full impact of what your statement really means.

You are asking this: "If you could tell me of any kind, selfless, caring flower children you knew during the time, that'd be awesome! Thanks!"

The easiest example of this is simply the people who gave the attitude of just putting more into a pot and cooking it longer and taking you in off of the street and feeding you. Reaching out and doing for others. Of course the idea of sharing food and passing a joint around is all just coming from the same space, and yet many folks who might do the one might not go so far as to do the other. Which, if you stop and think about it, is kind of weird on the fact of it, because smoking would next thing give you the munchies. But maybe over time, that led to the stew pot, and bowls, and sharing.

Of course you would have to have a place to cook, first. And a sink to wash dishes, too. In my view, some Flower Children were so very spacey that they couldn't even live like that and have a space. And that is one real aspect of it all.

There were "Flower Children" who could keep it together and some that were just helpless and hopeless. As you might well imagine. You can be in the headspace of "Free Everything" and you might be able to make it all work out, if you and your friends can spend some of your energy to make it work. Making things and selling them, providing a service to others in exchange for coin, or a straight day job. People have to have a flow going on, or their own gig happening.

I believe what I'm trying to say is that their where irresponsible "Flower Children" and responsible "Flower Children". Some lasted and others didn't.

Also to mention that in an urban environment that many Flower Children types fell victim to Big City Pimps and their Heroin, and now-a-todays Crack and Speed. Pure Hearts that Died hard. The sadness of this is very real. I'm saying to understand and protect one's self and be wary in life. Their are those who take advantage of hungry helpless people. All of my sisters should understand and know. Be armed with the truth.

Also, kind of true is that the "Flower Child" thing was much more prevalent in the early days of hippie. Griffith Park, L.A., Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. And more visual in the Spring and the Summer. It was kind of like, Where do the Fairies and pixies go to in the Winter Time? If you see what I mean? It was mostly 64, 65, 66, 67, 68. It's like as the WAR drug on heads and heart started to change. Things did get kind of different.

As for the Pure Stoner thing, that was/ is very real. It was always there.

By about 72 the central culture had faded somewhat. Or at the very least you had the go and look for it. (If you were seeking it) People in High School all know better then other's do, as always. What else is new. They didn't need a focus. Many, only wanted to get high. This was a new crew who wanted and had nothing but being stoners. No class. No Heart. No mind. The new vogue. Just Stoned, no purpose.
Around this time period, the Who, came out with "Teenage Waistland". The actual title of the song is, "Baba O'Riley", on the 1971 album "Who's Next".

So, you see, there was an "over a time period" thing going on. A transition. And yet the hippie thing never died, like the New York people said, after Woodstock. The Hippie thing never was a New York thing to begin with. So I have no idea how that they can claim it, in the first place, let alone state that it was dead, or that the Hippie thing was all about Woodstock. The hippie thing was never about Woodstock. Woodstock was just one rock festival out of a dozen or more. Woodstock was maybe about 3 percent hippie and 97 percent straight kids, just being hippies for the weekend. Hippie virgins or wannabies.

Hippie still lives, and always will.

Actually I knew, Women that were true Flower Children in 1980–82. They were serious Flower Child purists, also Deadheads, lived in the Santa Cruz mountains, and were veggies. I also, knew a few, there, that were basically just air-heads and bliss-ninnies. I don't know how they stayed alive. And that is also a main point that I am trying to communicate to you. That there is a a difference.

You should look up the Oregon Country Fare and see the pictures. Then go to the Fare, and move.

Send me a P.M. and I'll send you some picture and other links and info, if you want to go for more information in this area. There's much more.

Ken