I've decided that based on the reviews and the short duration, I'm interested in trying it soon. I'm not so fond of the variability in shrooms because they can be unpredictable even with the exact same does from the same batch. So, I thought this would be a great way to enjoy something shroom-like that is more predictable by dose. Just wondering if this seems like a reasonable reason to go that way. Maybe it's just tryptamines that are unpredictable for me? I have an okay source from EU...they don't have a payment option I'm excited about...so I've been stalling on ordering. Maybe I'll do it after the new year. Also...I've been enjoying catching up on everybody here, and some new folks. I've been away enjoying plentiful psychedelics, so I've barely been on for a while. (I'm sure no one missed me....and I didn't miss HF much or I would have come...but it's like a reunion with old friends reading some of the posts from the last bunch of months.)
Psychedelics can often be unpredictable because set and setting is such a crucial part to them. That unpredictable quality to psychedelics (perhaps specifically tryptamines for you) is part of their allure for some and what detracts others who want more consistent effects in drugs. I've taken 4-aco dmt at the same dose and have had pretty variable experiences, set and setting is still a primary factor with 4-aco-dmt. That being said, I think weighing your own dose can play into the mindset aspect going into the experience and can probably provide a sense of comfort that you may not get from the variable alkaloid content from the mushrooms.
^^^ That's well put. One of the things I like about it is the ability to dial in the amount. But GB's comment makes sense in terms of some of the mild variability I've experienced. Mild except for one case where I tripped much harder than I expected, so much so that I thought I mis-weighed. IME it is. Of the handful of RC's that I've sampled, it's my fave. It's often compared to shrooms and it is similiar, only different. If you're not thrilled with your source look around some more there are alot of them.
Thanks guys. Set and setting...hmmm I'm not so much talking about the quality of the effects as much as the quantity....and the amount of nausea and stomach discomfort. Which I'm sure are also affected by set and setting. I guess I'm talking about the quality somewhat too though. I usually grid mushrooms to a powder for stealth-ness, ease of packing without having air for long term storage, and to make a homogeneous mixture....and I still weigh them out myself pretty carefully. So, I'm not sure that being able to weigh it out will affect my "set" much. Definitely not enough to offset the uneasiness of using RCs vs shrooms from a known source. So...maybe that's it...tryptamines are just variable in how much I'll trip, and that's the way it is...based on set and setting, and probably other physiological factors. I don't really trip enough or pay enough attention to my set and physiological factors to figure out the exact correlations. (Setting is really the most important thing to me...although I often abort a plan to trip for something as small as getting mad while driving or something, because I just don't feel in the mood.) I have to admit I'm at a point where I don't want to have to guess whether I'm going to have a full experience or not, and I'm also not willing to go very heavy on the dose to ensure it usually...because I want to reach somewhere in the vicinity of the level I'm aiming for. So...maybe I should just revisit shrooms if you are saying that 4-aco-dmt is not generally more predictable than shrooms. I think when I heard people describe 4-aco-dmt as more clear I kind of interpreted that as more consistent, which was probably a mistake. I really don't like dealing with RC internet sales, and I get paranoid for months even after receiving them. I've just been thinking that I should try 4-aco-dmt soon, since it will probably be illegal soon, and I generally horde drugs....but that's not really a good enough reason. Thanks for helping me figure that out.
4-aco-dmt is more consistent than mushrooms, only because you know exactly what dose you're taking. It is the psychedelic experience in general that is unpredictable, so you're never ever ever with any substance going to get a perfectly predictable trip, there will always be much room for surprise. Mushrooms it's even more so, because you don't know if your mushroom dose has 30mg of active ingredients or 100mg, even with the same weight of fungal matter. You should definitely try 4-aco-dmt, it is widely hailed as one of the best, and commonly hailed as the best research chemical period.
IME I'd have to totally agree with Writer. I can't speak for any variability with tryptamines in your body, mushrooms are more inconsistent as to content vs 4 aces. Those are probably the biggest factors, moreso than the others. Indeed. If you feel bigtime sketchy about obtaining some that figures into the equation but otherwise I wouldn't dismiss it, it truly is a worthy experience.
Okay....okay...maybe I should try it. A buddy of mine said he would consider doing the ordering and have it shipped to a location, which will totally make me feel so much better. So....I'll let you know how it goes. I do agree that every psychedelic experience is unique and that the feeling towards the substance, how it was procured and weighted, can affect my set quite a bit. In that respect, the best situation would be one where you grow your own shrooms or know the grower. However, even when I have had that positive aspect of my set, shrooms are least predictable in many ways to me. I do tend towards PEAs and LSD, except for the infamous DMT which I love. So, maybe it's somewhat related to tryptamines. DMT is very unpredictable to me, but I think that usually has to do with trouble getting it all down before I chicken out or can no longer function with a lighter. When I get there, even though each time is very different, it's always somewhat familiar. But, I often don't get all the way there. So, this will be an interesting experiment to try a new tryptamine. I think growing or extracting your own psychedelics can be a wonderful thing. Similarly to stretching your own canvas before a painting, it gives you time to prepare and contemplate the upcoming culmination of your work. )Except if it has anything to do with LSA, which I think completely sucks compared to LSD or anything else, including shrooms.)
I agree, I would looove growing my own shrooms, they are rare in my circles but the raw ingredients are even harder to come by. Even if I could, myself I would be interested in other experiences even if just once. I agree with you about lucy tho... nothing compares.
how? if you purchase an RC, from a reliable vendor, that you've confirmed on SoS, have read trip reports from people that have dosed the SAME batch..and the stuff is ~98% pure and you have a scale - then you can be very confident in the dosage that you're taking. even if you grow your own shrooms, they are still variable in their alkaloid content.
I'm more talking about how the procurement affects "set" personally for me. Not necessarily a logical thing. The whole premise of the thread was that I thought getting 4-aco-dmt would beneficial for me because it would be easier to dose than shrooms...so, I get what you are saying and agree on that level. ---- This is definitely off track, but I will say that I don't think that you can be 100% sure of what you are getting regardless of what the 10-15 people on SOS say or the vendor says, unless you have your own GC/MS analysis done. Somehow I doubt some of the vedors' GC/MS reports. How can you know you got the same batch as someone else on SoS? Is it by their descriptions of the powder and their experience? I know this is totally different since the bad sample was just an advertiser on google, but it's still a little scary: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_article1.shtml (They really should have done 10 samples or something. That would have been much more valuable information.) I'm sure a few people here had purchased DPT (or other stuff) from Haupt and had no trouble, and he was a great vendor and friendly person, but obviously mistakes can still happen. (Edit: If I remember correctly, he was also reviewed positively on undrugged.) My advise to all who try RCs is to get them and sit on them for a few months while monitoring SoS to see if there are any adverse reactions. (I guess this won't work if everyone does it....so maybe I kant say that ) I think it's fine to do RCs, and I have many times and will in the future. But I think it's also important to be realistic about the risks involved. There is definitely less risk of getting the wrong thing when you know the source of mushrooms than ordering RCs online. The risk of getting the wrong amount is probably greater with the shrooms.
Totally valid comments and something that one should consider. In the name of harm reduction it's good to do a little "allergy test". It's not only because of the example of the 5 meo you quoted but also because of the few cases where substances were mislabeled. These things aren't toys.
i agree, peacegrow. looking back on my experimentation with 2ce, 2cb, 4-aco-dmt, mdma, and even LSD, i never did a sub-threshold "allergy" test. i started with low to moderate doses at most, but that could have been proven dangerous. only my 2ce came from a vendor as you're thinking of, so the rest was tested by others before myself, and in some cases i could monitor the usage of it, before i indulged. if you were to get 4-aco-dmt, and could start with ~0.5 mg, then maybe 2 mg after a few hours later...i'd say that was being pretty careful. the most potent RCs could probably give you a SOLID trip from 500 ug, but would not likely be lethal or dangerous. then a week or so later you could take a psychedelic dose of it
