More American soldiers commit suicide than die in combat

For the second year running, the proportion of American soldiers dying at their own hand is greater than military casualities.

This does not include suicides of veterans back home, which accounts for a quarter of the US's 30k suicide figure each year.

http://rt.com/news/us-soldiers-suicide-combat-487/

 

Except for Ron Paul, no candidate, unfortunately, grasps the reality of the situation.

 

somehow that doesnt suprise me

 

Yea I have a friend that is fucked up from it. I could see it happening.
In his case, the command above him knowingly inflicted horrendous mental strain, anguish, trauma, and guilt upon him during/after an extremely traumatic incident. It's like they are fucking animals with no sense of compassion or understanding. Every soldier is a potential victim whether they realize it or not and i'm not talking about dying or getting wounded on the battlefield.

 

P.T.S.D. is not a frikken joke , it takes years of therapy and even then there is no gaurentees . Angola ended for me in 1983 and i still have nightmares about it as i am sure many others vets have about the wars they fought .But what does the goverment care -disposable assets that all we are .

 

we have two Iraq vets at Occupy London... both have strong suicidal tendencies, both are homeless and forgotten by the military... one of them may make it, i have doubts about the other... very sad state of affairs indeed... the military machine is just that... a fucking machine!

 

And the service men and women aren't "parts" of the machine.... they are "fuel"

 

Meat for the grinder

 

the casualties are way down from the vietnam era for a reason...soldiers are better at not getting killed...better trained..obviously the low death rate in combat is a tribute to their extensive training and commitment and would naturally approach the number of suicides by default....would you all feel better if we lost ten times the amount in combat...... the skewing and misrepresenting statistics is an art...the military does it and so does the liberal left ...and everyone inbetween


that said...a dude blowing his own head off in a bunker in Iraq is just as much a casualty of war as a dude getting his head blown off by an enemy...they are both dead forever and both deaths could have been prevented but were not


perspective shot...in 2005 11 out of every 100,000 people offed themselves in the good ol USA and it is the 7th leading killer of males overall and third for age 15-24...its not only a military problem is my point

 

Yes this is very sad.

They are brainwashed into signing up to basically be murderers AND THEN THEY WAKE UP AND REALISE THAT and cant handle it

Very sad indeed!

 

And all for wars that we have no right being in anyway. Its not as if those guys are actually defending their country.
Both my sons, in their early 20s have friends in the forces in Afghanistan, and they have both said that they would be up for going out there if they were in the forces. Despite their friends coming home messed up. Despite daily reports of soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs in Helmand. Despite me and their mom telling them waht a fucked up shitty mess it is out there. These are reasonably intelligent boys, but they would still do it. So imagine all the dunces from some crappy burned out city with no prospects, then no surprise that there are so many people available for the job. Action, adventure etc.
But as you say, without being in any way prepared for the actual horror of it all.

 

Cannon fodder They are used as cannon fodder. used up and forgotten, but few people see that. Their deaths are the result of war even though they didnt physically die in combat Their numbers need to be added to the casualty list.

You know it just amazes me that there does not seem to be much public support for vets that need help. Nobody seems to be willing to work towards getting them better care, but they will all run around with a "Support our Troops" sticker on their redneck pickup.

 

thats right...blame the soldiers because the generals can do no wrong....until you stop using oil and gas from over seas you dont get to shit on a soldier...these sentiments you people speak of are NOT shared with enough voters to ever do anything....you cant blame a soldier for ''not dying'' and then use him as a statistic to spotlight a suicide problem.......and there is plenty of gung-ho soldiers just aching to get into a firefight and plenty more behind those dudes............

 

After 13 months , I thought it wouldn't be any problem adjusting when I came home- I was wrong**
Its a story way too long to get into- but I now do lots of volunteer work with younger vets that have issues upon their "re-entry"- I find it helps both of us -
I definitely recommend anyone that is having trouble adapting to civilian life after thier tour- to reach out for help- Unlike 40 yrs ago, PTSD is now an accepted problem with many compassionate vets at your local VA center willing to help
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feelings of anger ,hostility,depression.. etc... need to be worked out before something snaps*
not just used as a courtroom defense- -Too many times PSTD is used as an excuse for a fucked up senseless killing

PSTD is very real and very scary & it pisses me off when every nut job wants to use it for their defense

Troubling new data show there are an average of 950 suicide attempts each month by veterans who are receiving some type of treatment from the Veterans Affairs Department.

Seven percent of the attempts are successful, and 11 percent of those who don’t succeed on the first attempt try again within nine months.

The numbers, which come at a time when VA is strengthening its suicide prevention programs, show about 18 veteran suicides a day, about five by veterans who are receiving VA care.
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all stats from Rick Maze - Staff writer Army News

 

I don't want to seem like a dick but don't you think that this may be a good thing. I mean suicide is really bad don't get me wrong, but how are we going to provide jobs and aftercare for all these hundreds of thousands of solders after the war. If they take themselves out of the equation then the problem works itself out. The war broke them and it might be better for society if they don't return to it.

 

So because a person is sent to war by his government , lives through it horrors ,is in kill or be killed postion every second of every day which in turn effects his mental stabilty, you think it better that they dont return to society because the goverments failure to provide aftercare for them .

You saying that it is better for all vets

Well speaking as a vet ( and there a few more on this forum ) i would have to say ,with all respect to you. In fact let me rather say nothing because you are really messing with my zen thing bro. ..:banghead:

 

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Nearly 5 Years, I Suggest You Read It...



Cheers Glen.

 

This is beyond FAIL

 

For not wanting to seem like a dick you sure jumped in there with both feet.

What the Hell are you thinking? So your answer to this problem that the politicians created is to help them commit suicide? How about we treat them and give them the care that they desever! Maybe then they wouldn't feel all alone in this and know that they mean something to thier country and have a self worth. Do you not think that would be a better idea? Do you want to go tell the widows, the mothers, the children of these guys and gals that they are better off dead because the war broke them we can't afford to provide for them?

I agree that we don't provide our vets with the best care after they return, and it isn't because of the people, it is because of our great goverment officals who don't do the right thing.
If employers treated their employees that work in the private sector the way the goverment does they would be sued for every dime they had, but the goverment doesn't see it that way.

You are a exactly what you didn't want to sound like.

 

:iagree: completely