What is the place you see when you're tripping?

Just looking for general theories on what or where the psychedelic landscape is.. for example;
i had a thought that there are psychedelic looking natural patterns in your eye that you can't normally see, but certain chemical changes in your body make them more apparent or easier to focus on.
another theory i consider is that your pineal gland can actually send you sensory information like your eyes and ears do, taking certain chemicals makes this sensory information, again, easier to focus on.
I entertain another idea, however i don't think this one is very provable, and thats that another dimension exists where things exist in some different state, like pure energy, where existence is manifested in psychedelic design, taking psychedelics lets you see that dimension.
With mushrooms specifically, i feel like you are allowed to access the bank of information that the natural world seems to possess. specifically the psychedelic mushroom's sage-like wisdom.
LSD i feel makes judging things easier, the visuals come in when you realize your judgements all come from similar patterns. visuals in this case seem to be self realized or actualized by the brain at peak processing power.

random, i know.. just wondering if other people have this thought about psychs or if anyone has any interesting theories or relevant studies or findings.

 

Greece.

 

i think it's just a different perception of reality. it's different from our "normal" everyday perception that has evolved to be the best one for survival. that's why normally we filter out much of the stimulus that we receive.

psychedelics bind to receptors that are concentrated in certain areas of the brain, to elicit certain effects (visuals for example)

so i don't think of it as some "higher dimension" or "alternate reality" even though it is certainly an alternate view of the world and you certainly are high

 

I'm not good at this stuff but I do find it fascinating. I believe as PS does in the filter theory of psychedelics. But quite probably that theory is only partially applicable to at least where we are now and with what humans have explored.
(if you're not familiar with this idea try The Center of the Universe by Wm Moxley)
Math has revealed alot of things in our history long before they were proven, and the cutting edge today produces some pretty amazing possibilities. I tend to be agnostic in my belief system but it seems to me that most people that have explored psychs would be missing something if they didn't feel like the curtain was pulled back on different realities and there might be a grain of truth to a lot of concepts that non trippers dismiss. We're all one and everything is connected, life elsewhere, clairvoyance, psychic phenomenia, on and on.
I am pretty certain tho that our perception of "reality" is far from the truth.

A short, laymans intro to multiple universes would be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ca4miMMaCE&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Porky; you think were filtering out brain function? so would you say that tripping is simulating a earlier stage of human consciousness? simulating a less complex brain?

 

Varies on the Chem/plant:

Mdma usually wit the aid of lights or glowsticks often makes the air seem like it thickens and the lights in it seem to get processed slower causing trails.

Lsd feels like I'm processing visual information faster and ironically causes trails as well but it doesn't need to be coaxed like mdma. lsd also causes synesthesia (crossing senses) where my senses cross and often I'm seeing music or seeing my thoughts in the enviornment in a way.

I believe dmt significantly effects the visual mechanisms used in the perception of objects forms and in doing so, more often creates forms and 'entities' that don't necessarily have much root in consensual reality compared to many psychedelics.

 

Gods workshop.. apparently he likes elves..

 

i'm pretty sure that we are normally filtering out information, in order to make sense of the world. but i wouldn't say filtering out brain FUNCTION. we are doing so, IN ORDER TO function.

i would say that tripping is simulating a more childlike stage of consciousness, where everything seems new and fun. and maybe a more "primal" stage, where you might be more focused on yourself...i dunno.

 

I go to THE ROOM mann. There are lots of rooms and suddenly my room becomes THE ROOM. And the only feeling there is is an overwhelming sense that you're in THE ROOM and you look around and everyone looks like they've been there for ever and you look at them inquisitively and they just shrug and look back awkwardly.
Its just THE ROOM mann.

e: of course, this is not the limit of my tripping experience, just one place I find myself sometimes. It's profoundly unprofound and there IS a door, but the door just mocks you. I could write about this ad nauseam, but I'm tired and I'll come back to it

 

Depends on what I'm on, where I am, and who I'm with.

 

Always keep your audience begging for more...

 

i like everyones posts, id like to hear more about THE ROOM HedgeClipper sounds interesting

ok, i gotcha. the thing that always makes me wonder where it's coming from is the sense of "watching" something or being exposed to something rather than consciously thinking it into existence.

I had a thought, that it's possible we can perceive a larger spectrum of light and sound waves on psychs.. or maybe use synesthesia to connect all sorts of vibrational frequencies (like; light, sound, seasons[and other natural patterns], emotional patterns, the rise and fall of the individual and society, ext..) to become, not psychic, but attuned to the language of synchronicity.

Being able to see patterns (but more specifically wave patters ) in all sorts of thought, you have revelations about why the past went the way it did, and what you did to cause it. You can also see why the future will go the way it will, and what you can do to change it. In short, i think wave patterns exist in everything/create everything (much like they make up light and sound) and taking certain psychedelics (LSD imo) can put you in perfect tune with these vibrations to the point where you can receive a lifetimes worth of information from just a sound or light wave.

My last lsd trip had me thinking i was existing all over time, i got the feeling i was viewing life from my conscious or soul rather than my mind, so i was almost existing as different people and genuinely understanding their emotions. The only reason (i thought) i was normally in my body was to tell people about the cycle of "infinite regress" (thanks for the term EatLysergicAcid) that would cause everyone to eventually become everyone else either through experience or reincarnation. the thoughts seem a little disconnected, but hey, i was on acid. The concept of the trip i feel came from the story "the Egg" so thanks for that PS, but the trip itself made me look into the roots of the story and realize some specific things about my own life.. anywho, im rambling.

vv dont forget the sig

 

some big fancy mall in ohio, and the rock quarrys here in town. but everything is pretty cool looking while trippin. lol

 

ganja, i think you should write a trip report.

interesting to hear your thoughts about your last acid trip...

i don't quite understand/remember what "vicious infinite regress" meant, i might need to go re-read that report.

 

that last one was crazy... i don't know if i can write my peaks very well, i like to just take a hunk of knowledge out of a trip instead of trying to be able to recount the whole thing.

cliffnotes in bold, sorry it's so long

-Right after i took that microdot +1 hit of white on white (about an hour and 45 min after i took 4 of WoW) i took a walk into the muddy fields behind my house, where i often go when im tripping at my house. Walking along i thought of the job id have as an adult, hoping it was a job where i just get to walk around looking at ponds. I made it to a dry area by these couple of ponds where i could lay down and look up at the moon and clouds. B-E-A-utiful. I stare at the moon and the sky for what must be 30 minutes, amazed at where i was, between the earth and clouds. I watched the edge of a cloud mass where small clouds joined into bigger one, getting closer and closer and never seeming to join entirely.. I saw patterns on the moon and realized the microdot was starting to kick in already, so i got up and walked back to my house. I had started to get cold. I walk past grounds visited on past trips and remember the significance theyve made me feel, i smile and finally catch view of my house. I randomly think of the phrase "home is where the fractal ends" thinking about the worst that could happen i guess, i freak out and eventually come to back home or i have a good time and am, again, back home. i think it has something to do with my trip concept, or the conclusions i came to about my visuals.

-I make it into my house, no one home yet, so i go upstairs and watch some futurama. I get more than half way through the episode "Roswell That Ends Well" (funniest thing ive ever watched, cracked up laughing literally every 2 lines) and smoked some pot until my brother and a friend of his get home and take the TV over and put on this weird show "Eastbound and Down" about this wash up loser baseball player.. needless to say i got uncomfortable (the show touched on some stuff that you wouldnt really want to think about tripping) and felt awkward about the way my brother and friend would react to me leaving. Because i felt awkward about going to a different room I sat through alot of the show until i found a way to leave the room. I got my laptop and headphones and returned to the same room and layed out on the bed (which is sort of away from the TV, separated by couches) so i wouldn't make it seem like i didn't enjoy my brother and his friends company. I listening to My Morning Jacket - "I Will Sing You Songs" and peaked my nuts off. the next description takes place in only about 20 minutes, just while i listened to that song and a few after.

-Basically at the peak i had a spiral vision that incorporated a small triangular piece of my vision basically copy and pasted into a massive spiral that became a mandala... at first i couldn't tell what it was, i thought it was just a crazy mandala, but what i realized is something to the effect of "your mandala is defined by place youre in. Your environment controls your life and your visions, you can change your environment to change your life and your outlook." At the peak of the peak i was able to answer a question that would only be answerable through a lifetimes worth of introspective thinking. its a lil personal so ill leave that part out, but i could basically see out two different possible realities where i answer this question differently. For the first time it didn't seem as if the choice was at the hands of society or some greater force, but my true thoughts. Undisturbed by external pressure, i chose one outcome and am currently in the process of trying to reach it. My trip had led me to the conclusion i need to start living my own life and define my fate a little more; that life is one big fractal of infinite possibilities and you gotta get what you want/need out of all those possibilities.

-My visions were all over the place, some of the most intense internal landscapes ive ever seen, lots of distorting OEVs. I think i can still describe the two most powerful internal landscapes, one being that mandala i described earlier, another being a tunnel of sensory information that i was literally falling through.

-It was like i was falling through a fractal zoom, but instead of just seeing things in the fractal, it was made up of the music i was listening to, the place i was in, the mental imagery that was being stimulated, the things i could feel, my memories... basically all the sensory information i was receiving was united in this tunnel. The tunnel was, as literally as i could describe it, a outside view of a tunnel against a black background. I don't know if i could actually see myself from this perspective, but i could tell i was inside the tunnel, and it was kinda made of yellow static looking waves.. almost something you'd see in an itunes visualizer(i just dumbed that memory down so much) wrapped around an invisible tube with me shooting down the middle of it just about as fast as you could imagine. After kinda seeing it for a minute, my perspective shifted to the inside of the tube, again with yellow digitized looking sine waves surrounding me.

Note:
My perspective shifted alot during this time period, almost inconceivably so. I felt i was existing in several points of time at once, out drifting through space as well as in the combined consciousness of the universe and yet another place and time; my body.... laying in a bed out in the fucking boonies listening to the song to end all songs :') *writer has a flashback as he writes this*

-I could see information as it was coming at me, almost like little bars that would reach out from the edge of the tunnel and hit my body as i passed them, causing a vibration of sense. As i hit each bar, a sound or a vision or a taste or a feel or smell or memory hits me. For example; id see notes in the music coming at me and I would hit one of these bars for not really every note, but to correspond with it. another example is that a huge section of bars would come up in a part of the tunnel i could tell was where vision came from, i would begin to hit the bars and a glorious psychedelic landscape would develop in my mental imagery aside or intermingling with the ever present tunnel.

-My brother and his friend leave, so i took off my headphones (like the weight of the world off my shoulders at that point, i think i just laid down and stared at a tapestry once i took the headphones off. I started watching old SNL clips with Chris Farley eventually... even this was pretty freaky.. the scenes hes in are kind of really psychedelic in a way, the way his character is like an epitome of something.. kinda trippy imo.. i dunno. I reflect on how ive always watched Chris Farley since and futurama since i was a kid. I think about how i got into really mature comedy as like a 7 year old, i think of it as a random chance blessing that i know about some really good cultured media (TV shows, music, movies). I get a huge kick out of the best of Chris Farley DVD. i watch the rest of the futurama episode after the SNL gets a little too weird. It is really nice seeing the end of the episode, when i left the story to watch that other show, there was quite a cliff hanger. Seeing the rest offered some resolution, and futurama resolves really well and in really funny ways. The episode was really reassuring and had sort of a "go with the flow, enjoy every experience" vibe.

-I stop watching TV, start listening to music again, im not tripping quite as hard, so i listen to some weirder stuff (Radiohead i think) till my friend wants to come over, prolly +5.5-6 hours after i took the first doses at this point. We listen to music and discuss the trip trying to make sense of it, i think we do a pretty solid job. that takes about an hour, just sharing alot of the information ive shared in this report. He leaves and my brother returns from a party. We hang out and watch that "Eastbound and Down" show more, its no longer scarring the shit out of me, and actually really interesting and purposeful. I watch this show for a long while and smoke lots of reefer. eventually i fall asleep ~12 hrs after the initial dose

Thats as much as youre getting for a TR. i would love to try and describe it in person

 

as far as how it relates to infinite regress.. thats kinda harder to explain. basically the mandala part let me know what life was like for two individuals... something ive never looked at before, and remembering "take care of me cause i might be you" i had to realize my actions must be for the common good, i couldn't take what i thought of as "the better of two halves" and leave people out to dry for no reason. the way i say "infinite regress" im thinking of the way karma will certainly come back around in the system "the egg" presents; how all of our actions to others will eventually be actions onto ourselves.



sorry i derailed this thread.. please continue with the initial thread if you please

 

i started listening to that song as i read your report.

sounds like a pretty intense trip man! do you think those 5 white blotters were totally bunk or added a little bit to the dose?

i can relate to walking past certain spots where you've tripped before and recalling the significance of them. even not tripping. i always go to that park when i'm tripping around here...i remember the time i "melted" with the snow on 4 hits of L...the time i had visuals overtake my whole field of view on 19 mg 2ce...the time i proposed to my girlfriend. i get reminded of these things as i pass their respective spots.

this has little to do with any topic: but on my last dose, i added some led zeppelin to my playlist and 1) whenever it came on, i "felt like my dad." i could see or feel myself from his, younger point of view. it was really unique. and 2) i decided that if my cat could speak, he would sound like robert plant...and i decided on a theme song for him, let's see if i can remember it....

here it is:
http://grooveshark.com/s/Over+The+Hills+And+Far+Away/4cZwWU?src=5

 

if i had to guess based on the strength of a single microdot vs that trip id say the WoW added about 50-60 ug. it seemed much more intense than one dot, but then again, there were very different settings.
One thing i find is that i fall in love with songs i listen to when i trip. Places, songs and ideas have a power to bring you back to that state of mind. I talked about this during my last red dot experience, how a song, person, or experience can bring you right back to the moment something happened. How without ever realizing it, one situation can put you on an even plane with a earlier version of yourself where you can recall everything, you can sympathize with exact issues and remember thoughts and feelings better than you ever could if you weren't influenced to remember.

 

somehow it seems like something difficult to describe, but the general idea is that there are many different states of mind symbolized by different rooms and the physical place you are becomes that room.
In sobriety, you can travel between mindsets and rooms pretty freely but sometimes you'll take a psychedelic and be wandering around in your mind and every once in a while, with no warning, you find yourself in THE room. You may have been there before. You may be gripped with a sense of fear. There are others there. They've been there for eternity and so will you, so you think.
You look at them and they all shrug, as if to acknowledge their presence in THE room and nothing else. You're simply there. It is profoundly unprofound. It is the climax of anticlimax. the room is an inescapable paradox. It goes by many names: The Thing, the Nameless Dread, etc.
There is a door,but you will know you will never open it. If you were to try, time would simply rewind and you would find yourself not having tried the door. The best thing to do is to calm down and accept it. You're in the room. There's nothing you can do about it. There's no point in fighting it.
Once you relinquish yourself to the room, you know you've gone past the point of no return. There's no going back and slowly, but surely you start to change. You start to shift between forms. You existence is cycling faster and faster until it all comes together, the ego dissolves, your surroundings, the sense of being trapped and the room dissolve.
You peak and , when you come down, you are no longer in the room. Some say the room is limbo. Some say it is a mind state, some say it is all of your subconscious fears. Some like it, some hate it. The only thing that's for sure is that it is THE room and that you are there.

 

that's an interesting way to look at it. i think i know the feeling you're talking about, but i don't interoperate it the same way (or maybe i've never tripped THAT hard...). what chems do you get that on? is it an immersive experience? are you convinced you're in the room, or is that how you look at it?