Research chemicals bad or good? Also, dosage?

Hi, so to start SWIMs only tried "LSD" once and Swims not so sure it was LSD. Around here (Ontario), Swim wouldn't be surprised if we got RCs exclusively. However, may be well misinformed and the only thing we get is LSD.

Regardless, Swim wanted to know if there's any danger involved in taking RCs? Swim don't know much about them other than the fact that they are sometimes sold instead of acid and not much is known about them. Swim has also read of serious vasoconstriction complications (after taking massive doses I assume, or maybe not) and even death.

So to narrow down my question: Can a RC kill you or make you very sick if you use it recreationally (1-3 hits)??

Also, how much would you recommend Swim take since it's my 2nd trip? Swim don't think Swim really "broke through" last time Swim dropped, should Swim take 1 again because it's a different dealer and I can see what it's like or should Swim not waste my time with 1 and take 2?

Swims first trip on lucy was very weird and completely unexpected, it actually threw me off guard Swim thought it was going to be so different. For starters it took about 2-3 hours to kick in. Swim and a friend both had 1 hit. After about 3 hours Swim started getting extreme body load and body tension....the best way I can describe it is restlessness. Throughout the trip swim had random urges to laugh because swim and my friend felt so jittery and weird and this went on for 10 to 11 hours. Had no visuals throughout the trip but barely remember seeing the skyline and thinking it was beautiful. Swim was very disoriented too - at one point Swim remember drinking my friend's bongwater because Swim was trying to smoke it. Afterwards Swim broke the stem piece. Not cool. My friend was so restless he started cleaning his whole house. Also swears he saw a rag moving.

I dunno, to be honest Swim didn't like it too much as the body load was almost unbearable and Swim was still feeling the jittery anxiety 10 hours later.

Any help apprecited, thanks!

 

Just as Lsd differs from any (RC) research chemical, so do many of the RC'S vary from one another. The issue with RC's are that many of them have been around only a few years with a limited data on human trials with them compared to the wealth of info available on LSD. Through the info that has come about regarding some RC'S potent enough to be on blotters is that most are safe within the 3 blotter range, there are some that can make individuals sick within that dose range though and some like chemicals in the dox series of drugs have a duration that vastly exceeds Lsd duration to like 2x, even 3x for some chemicals so you'd be looking at a 30 hour trip opposed to a 10 hr. Trip..

I'd take 2 hits next time, taking 1 hit may be why you didn't have quality visual effects and acid can be stimulating so nothing you have said makes me think that you took something other than acid.

 

If its LSD that you are after don't just settle for something "similar" I would rather wait years for real lucy to come around than take a sketchy rc. But that's just my opinion, some folks actually enjoy rc's such as do(x) and others.

 

It's much less risky taking LSD or something else that's been used by a lot more people than RCs. RCs are changing a lot now since they are outlawing them more. If the US bill that bans all CB1 agonists and all 2c-X, etc passes, I think they are going to get more and more weird.

If you can't find LSD, you could always buy some cactus in a similar way to buying RCs....or try to find a widely used "RC" like dpt or something.

 

there are no RCs out there that substitute for LSD. every drug is unique.

sounds like your one experience was a standard (sorta weak) one blotter trip. all those effects are consistent with it.

like i said, all drugs are unique, so we can't tell you if an RC blotter is safe. there are things out there where a couple milligrams is WAY too much.

IME, it's more common for "LSD" to be bunk (fake, nothing) than to be a different chemical.

there is real LSD in ontario...don't worry

 

Alright cool, thanks guys :2thumbsup:

One more question....can 1 hit of cid induce visuals, or in fact be a "good" trip at all? SWIM acquired a white unperfed cid strip, and is not sure how much to take for a nice trip in the woods tomorrow!

 

LSD is LSD and no RC comes close. The only RC I used though are the JWH-XXXX stuff. -018 in small doses I find has been safe for me but always risks with RCs. I tread lightly there but to each his own.

 

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Depends on the potency of the acid, individual variation and what not but with the generally reported dosage content of today's blotters, I'd say take 3-5 hits if you want to have a solid LSD trip.

I like the bold statement followed by 'I've only tried one RC that's not even remotely similar to LSD' :rofl: While many that have tried a good amount of RC's would probably agree with you, that seems like a very close minded assertion to make. There are some really quality RC's out there and some RC's that have really unique effects and are worthwhile.

 

There lies the problem friend, in today's society dealers will tell you anything to make a quick buck. I've never heard a guy say "dude take 5 my shit is so weak" it's usually "OMG! OMFG! you won't BELIEVE how strong this shit is!" so determining the potency prior to usage is next to impossible unless your connect is a pal of yours.

Holy shit, 3-5! To be honest guerillabedlam I've been browsing the pages on this forum and some people have had apparent great trips of just one! However, your challenge/proposal still remains a possibility. But if perchance this cid was pretty strong stuff, and swim already has a low enough tolerance since it's been 2 years, would you still recommend 3-5 hits? If setting and mindset are the exact same, could taking 3 hits as opposed to 1 for example be detrimental in anyway?

 

If you are weary that your L is an RC it is more than likely DO(x). It takes a long time to kick in (2-3 hours) and many people make the mistake of redosing and when it kicks in it is nothing fun, IMO. If it tastes metallic and/or bitter it may be one of those chemicals. Look up DOB, DOI, DOC on erowid to learn more. I am too lazy to explain it atm. I will tell you this though, these chemicals can last up to a 30+ hour high.

 

Yes I'd still reccommend 3. Lsd is the type of trip where if set and setting is accounted for its usually better to be a little overwhelmed rather than underwhelmed.

There is nothing that comes to mind that I would say is more detrimental from 3 hits compared to a lower dose. It's possible you may feel slightly more fatigued coming out of the trip but the benefits gained from the level of effects elicited from that jump in dosage, make it well worth it and not everyone gets post trip fatigue either. As far as stimulation goes, Stimulation is one of the initial effects of acid, so I don't think 3 hits will feel anymore stimulating than the 1 hit you took and its quite possible you may even notice the physical effects less because you will be more wrapped up more in the sensorial, perceptual and analytical affects compared to your previous LSD experience.

 

^^^ Solid.

If one does their homework and set and setting are taken into consideration, 3-5 tabs of today's blotter is no more than 300ug or so and well within a safe range.
A reason why lucy is not considered an RC by most learned peeps is because it was well explored professionally, well over the 1mg range. If you stay in the ug range, your only concern is a personal reaction to lucy, not physical.
You're more apt to underdose than over.

 

The 25(X)nbome blotter also has a bitter taste and also will numb your tongue if taken after around 5 to 10 mins.25(X)nbome blotters should be held sub-lingual for as long as you can or at least 30 mins.With most of your The Do(x) chemicals did not seem to have much numbing effect to them.You need to only order from vendors you can trust.Most good vendors will send a M.S.D.S with your order.

 

I posted while on shit. Still on shit. comedown maybe. WTF was that?

 

if you got a 10 strip that is 1/4" wide and 2.5" long...i would cut one or two hits from that (1/4 or 1/2"). one hit if you just wanna test potency, two hits if you really wanna trip and have taken care of set and setting real well

 

^You think 2 hits of todays standard Lsd tabs is a surefire trip?

 

Blotter is on the weaks side alot of the times now a days.i had some microdots around 6 months ago ,it was some of the best Lsd i have ever done.i think gb is right two hits Maybe a very light trip for some of todays Lsd.

 

hi again guys! so just starting off swim thinks this whole swim thing is nonsense! haha!

anyway, swim took 1 hot yesterday (hit today, lol) because swim is not sure whether he will get called into work and thinks that if that's a possibility swim should abstain from more than 1.

Anyway, taste was a bit metal but that subsided as soon as swim's tab entered swim's mouth. Anyway, held it under his tongue for 10-15 then swallowed....are you supposed to wait longer?

so far it's been exactly 2 hours and swims pupils are certainly dilated and swim is pretty euphoric. although, no visuals! but hey this was just a test, baby, yeah. (note, read this line in austin powers accent it'll make it way better)

could swim only holding it under his tongue for so little have any affect so I can learn from professionals such as yourselves?

ALSO, a very basic question, albeit mulitlayered:

Do experienced users laugh down upon "bad trips" on acid the same way I laugh down upon people in the marijuana hipforums when they say they have a bad trip? Because when swim sees a post about a bad trip on weed swim laughs it off because he knows he is experienced and can avoid one! Are you experienced users the same with lucy?

edit: all jokes aside, i feel normal. dammit guerilla was right.

 

^^^you can immediately swallow it and it will work. experienced users don't laugh off bad trips. even though i know how to handle myself on LSD, i know i can still have difficult times, although i don't consider any of my trips to be full on "bad trips"

i guess i don't have much experience with today's "standard" blotter. i've had somewhat weak stuff before, where a hit or two equaled a pretty mild trip, but i still feel like it's plenty for a first timer. taking 2 weak hits and having a mild trip is better than taking 2 hits that end up being decently strong, and you FREAK...or since it's your first time you don't know if you react well to it.

my first trip was on one white blotter. it was enough.

what type of microdots?

 

I would say that in general most blotter on the streets are between 50-100ug. The strongest blotter I have had were the 'Blue Shivas' at a supposed 185ug and the 2011 'Hoffman's'. Every microdot I have had have been stronger which is pretty normal it seems besides the red stars that were supposedly the same strength as the 'Blue Shivas' but was obviously stronger. I assume the Shiva's were more like 125ug and the red stars being 185-200ug.

Those red stars were strange though compared to the black microdots I have. The black ones felt more like the different types of blotter I have had while the red stars were either much much stronger or way cleaner or something else all together. No DO(x) but possibly an analogue. I don't know how common those LSD analogues really are though. They were just very... different. *shrugs* Many people have expressed the stars feeling 'off' with rumors of it being 2c-t-7 and mescaline which is obviously not the case.