4-aco-dmt

Man, I'm sorry for this but...

You're not fucking Shulgin.

Your link is not for 4 aco, but something all together different. Do you know what salts are ok to shoot straight into your vein??? Do you want to be a guinea pig? Then eat some carrots.
The only problem I have with Writers comments is they're not strong enough.
Who would care if you got ripped off for a car? I think people would care if
you are found dead in your house days later. With a needle stuck in your arm. And even that would be preferred over winding up like that chick shooting who-the-fuck-knows-what in her arm and getting half her body cut off to save her life. (what life? she's fucked)

Dude, I say this out of all respect and love... SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!!

On second thought, no, I'm not sorry. I'd be sorry if I didn't say something, or if no one said anything, and we read about you later.

 

don't IV this, you dummy!

 

Hey while we're dishing out facepalm's here's one for you, why don't you check that oral 5-meo dmt dosage.



OP a lot of harsh words instead of constructive critiscism, oral is a better ROA to start off with 4-aco-dmt but I've read it works injected with great success. I would probably seek out various forums to gather as much info as you can before pursuing that ROA.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=58308

 

or, ya know, just don't inject it since it's not sterile and it could kill you that way. it works great when you eat it, and it's 1000X safer

 

okay guys, i'm not gonna bang it...thanks for the criticism, harsh or not...
my plan....
find out how many mg i'm getting, hopefully it's labeled...i don't have an mg scale, and i'm waiting for a gemini...

measure about 1-2 mg, and test it...give it a few hours for results...actually will try to find info on half-life before i do then give it a swing...i'll start off with say 8-10 mg and chill....set and setting in mind....ORALLY

then if all is good, i'll order more and post a trip report...

 

I'm familiar (not directly) with 5 meo dosage. About 1/2 of 4 aco , yes?

Which is why when suggesting an allergy test of ~5 mg, I would say he would know if it was 4ace or not. 5 mg of 5 meo should have noticable effects, and distinctly different from 4 aces, which should have no perceptible effects in that range, from my direct experience.
If there's a flaw in that advice, I'd be game to hear it.

If you read thru the evolution of this thread, (i know you did) I can't see how you miss where this went.

One day later..

Then two days later...

And then posting to a link talking about the phosphate ester of 4 ho dmt, which is not 4 aco dmt. And I'll guar-an-fuckin tee you that he's not getting a phosphate ester of any thing.

And so, if you find some comments here overly harsh, sorry if you're offended. My hat's off to DB for at least trying to read a little. But if reading a brief description for Shulgin, (who knows more than everyone here put together many times over) about an unrelated substance in a totally different base, by someone who of their own admission is "very new" to RC's, AND is going through some heavy shit in their life... if you think that's all ok, cool. Maybe I have had the wrong impression about your approach to this stuff.

I feel strongly its fool hardy behavior with high risk for coming out very badly. And I worded it strongly to get his attention, not to offend.
I fucking HATE to see lives ruined, even when its someone I don't really even know.

Reference the link I posted the other day and Orison re-posted.

If you think that sort of risk (however small) is ok, I don't know what else to say.

Sorry if you take personal exception to anything I said.

Now this^^^ is a reasoned and considered approach. THANK YOU and your loved ones THANK YOU as well.

And I would say if and when you're confident that you have what you think you have, 8-10 would be light. Nothing wrong with that. 15 might be quite a good balance.
IMO with something like 10 experiences with it, you don't need to 'bang' this stuff to get a bang.
1. It comes up fast (~15 mins) and smoother than most.
2. If you're looking for intense, as little as 40 will be so intense you'll question the wisdom of going that high. Seriously.

Really, do mean you well, wish you safe, hope you get out of it what you're looking for. I know you're looking, from what we talked about. But damn, I know you're not looking to be crippled or dead.
Myself, I don't see this stuff as harmless fun without consequences. I hope you dig where I'm coming from.

 

No there has never been a report of 5-meo-dmt taken on it's own orally being active at 5 mgs. There's debate about whether it's even active orally without aid of an MAOI, the minimum dose level reported of 5-meo-dmt being active orally is around 30 mgs, far less potent than oral 4-aco-dmt of any variety.

 

So then Erowid, which you linked above for DB, is wrong?

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dmt/5meo_dmt_dose.shtml

Maybe I do need a face palm, cause I'm missing something here.

 

well all i know is i'm after something that i imagined as a kid watching movies...
and i'm after some kind of freedom of fear...fear runs the life...
perhaps i should be looking at natural stuff (dmt, ayahuasca) rather than something made in a lab....

yet i realized anything i currently think, back for the last 11-12 years, is just a masquerade, of the pure, of the innocent boy i once was....and to know that innocence again, and to be able to live my life with that kind of purity, selfLESSness, wonder, awe, and gratitude, I will chase to the ends of the earth, or as deep into my sub/unconscience mind to reach...ya hear?

and i still haven't yet to find some some lucy....

 

What happened to the good old days where someone would go for a run if they felt stressed out? I been ripped off many many times but drugs is not the answer, especially unsafe route of administration.

 

No that was an erowid trip report for injecting 4-aco-dmt

Yah like a psychoactive oral 5 mg 5-meo-dmt dose. :rofl:

 

Ok GB. I'll go another round wit ya cause, I know you a bit and generally respect your opinion and experience, as you know. That goes back to my first rc experience as I'm sure you recall.
I'm totally missing something here and I'll chalk it up to misunderstanding the written text. Could totally be me.

Um, ya. I actually looked at it. I was saying, your Erowid link is valid, but the one I posted with rough oral dosage levels for 5 meo dmt is not? I don't get that.
No, I've no direct experience with 5 meo dmt.

Does any of the back and forth invalidate the suggestion to exercise caution and do a sub-perceptual dose in response to DB's inquiry on determining the nature of what mystery chem he's got?

Are you saying it's not active orally @ 5 ? Ok, maybe too small, is that what you mean? Isn't the point of the whole thing to make sure he doesn't OD on Bromo Dragonfly or some such mislabeled chem?

So what's up man? The regulars here are expressing the danger of this. Is the whole thing that I didn't sugar coat things? Did it come across like a personal attack on you, on IV'ing unknown substances, .... Erowid isn't the be all end all I'm certain. Are they incorrect about oral doses?

Does any of this reflect on the wisdom of someone new to rc's, who is even questioning the accuracy and/or quality of some shit they have, shooting said shit straight up? We all saw one death on this board, albeit vicariously. I don't want to hear that happen ever again.

I don't get it. Truly.

 

^

This! and reread Ott's comments in that link you posted knowing harmaline is an MAOI. Erowid Is unclear whether or not that dosage chart is with or without an maoi which based on Ott's work it should be.

Tikhal's comments on oral 5-meo-dmt: With 35 mgs orally. "No activity."

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal38.shtml

 

Isn't 5-meo-dmt supposed to be smoked? a little as 2mg should have a big effect.

 

it may be that potent Smoked, snorted or injected

 

Ok.





DB, be safe. Please.
That is all.
:love:

 

^ what are you facepalming there voyage the fact you didn't copy my whole response? I laid it out so anyone with half a brain can understand.

 

i want some 4-aco-dmt!!!! good god!
sounds like the perfect drug

 

No. I was facepalming myself man.

It was a concession on the topic of 5-meo psycho-activity.

Chill. Really.

It is worthy of exploration.

In the spirit of constructive input for DB, hey man take a look at this and use it as a start for more reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_pass_effect

 

so anyways, i'm getting it tomorrow,and plan to start off when 10 mg...me and the lady both...i weight about 185ish...she was about 220ish, we have no other substances than alcohol and nicotine in our systems for at least 3 weeks...think we will trip?