4-aco-dmt

probably not from 10 mg...unless you still plan on IVing it, in which case it might be way too much

 

:rofl:

What PS said.
IME, weight isn't as much a factor like it is with alcohol and some substances. There is a psychonaut here that doesn't feel 4 aco or most (all?) trypts much at all. And I tried tripping a lady friend of mine at a show, shared 20 mgs of 4aces and she didn't feel a thing.

 

should i go for 25 then? i swear i looked on erowid

 

Some people feel that Erowid err's on the side of light, maybe in the name of harm reduction? Dunno.
If you are comfortable with the shroom headspace from previous experiences, I expect 25 wouldn't be overwhelming at all. You may find it a similar territory.

 

25 mg was my first and only dose of 4-aco-dmt fumarate. should be a good starting, ORAL dose

 

this is 4-aco hcl and i'm barely off baseline....disappointed...i'm about 70 mg in

 

what do you mean 70 mg in? how much did you dose initially, because that is closer to your effective dose. meaning if you dosed 10 mg, plus 20 mg an hour later, plus 40 mg an hour or so later....it might be qualitatively similar to taking 30 mg at once.
30 mg of 4-aco-dmt in any form should get you plenty off baseline though

25 mg of the fumarate was weak for me, but the HCl is more potent by weight

 

There is no way you'd be able to even post on this forum on 70mg 4-aco-dmt much less be disappointed by it how did you do it.

 

it was weak stuff, the vendor emailed me and said the batch wasn't strong...

i tested it out, waited about 6 hours, then tried a little bit, then did a bunch like an hour and a half in...no visuals, mildheadhigh, little euphoric, that's it

 

It sounds like highly degraded, improper storage, etc.

Might not help, but certainly can't hurt, to ask for a replacement with fresh. Particularly if he admits that it wasn't up to par. 70mgs should have rocked your world.

 

^^not necessarily if you took it in stages, and maybe were on an SSRI or something??

that's amazingly non-descriptive of how you actually dosed.

 

Would this RC be a good shroom substitute for someone whose sworn off shroomies for life?
My brother had a dying trip on shrooms and frustratingly doing them with him is not an option.
Will the feel of the trip remind him of his bad trip, can one get a bad shroom trip off this stuff?

What is a good trippy dose to try? (after doing an allergy test of course)

Thanks, thinking of ordering some.

 

HolyFrigMan!
Would this RC be a good shroom substitute for someone whose sworn off shroomies for life?
If he's sworn off shrooms for life but is still willing to trip? The only difference I could notice between 4-AcO-DMT and the shrooms is how you take the dose. The shrooms mess with my stomach and this stuff doesn't. It will [pretty much] make you feel like you ate shrooms. So if someone is completely unwilling to take mushrooms, taking this substance probably wouldn't be best for that individual.

My brother had a dying trip on shrooms and frustratingly doing them with him is not an option.
He had a bad trip on shrooms? And he doesn't want to do it again? What a surprise! I would think about if it is you who is wanting him to trip more than him wanting to trip himself. It shouldn't be too hard to find a more willing person to trip with.

Will the feel of the trip remind him of his bad trip, can one get a bad shroom trip off this stuff?
It will definitely remind him of 'tripping' because he will indeed be tripping if he eats 4-AcO-DMT. You could get a bad trip from eating 4-AcO-DMT, same as with any powerful psychedelic. It is not completely under your control but if you make sure that 'set and setting' is properly in order then you can help to avoid 'bad trips.'

Such like myself situation, with this same substance, if you dislike country music, and you dislike bars even more, so you take a large dose of powerful psychedelic and decide to go to a bar that plays country music, then you will have 'bad shroom trip.'


What is a good trippy dose to try? (after doing an allergy test of course)
Double whatever anyone else tells you. Well maybe not quite that, but I believe there's an old saying in this sub-forum that has recently fallen into less frequent use, "INCREASE DOSE!" [does anyone else remember that or is it me only?]
20-35mg of fumarate, is a good starting point, considerably less for hcl.

Hey Writer remembers it, I believe... 13 June 2012

Thanks, thinking of ordering some.
Good luck and stay safe!

 

Oh, he is willing to trip, on LSD, DXM, 25i nbome, etc.
Willing to try new things.
Just not mushrooms.
His experience like he felt he was dying turned him off shrooms for life.

Not me though, psilocybin is NOT off my list, but my bro is the only person I trip with, so as a consequence, they are off my list too.

It sucks, i want to order 4 aco dmt as I hear good stuff about it, but I have to tell him the facts of anything I offer to him, If I lie and it bombs on him, he will have a hard time taking my word for anything else ever again.

Annoying, but true!

 

i would think you would be eager to tell your brother the truth about any psychedelics that you provide him with...not annoyed.

so peter, do you mean the he should really take 40-75 mg??
those are pretty high doses. i've taken 45 mg which was quite strong, and could get into "bad trip" territory. a friend of mine had a TERRIBLE night on less than 25 mg, but he is not a tripper.


maybe you'd consider trying 4-aco-dmt yourself? it's probably my 2nd favorite psychedelic after LSD. i haven't tripped on shrooms in over two years because my last two times with them were unpleasant. i haven't sworn them off, but i was able to eat 4acodmt and not be reminded of my mildly unpleasant shroom trips of the past.

 

I thought about what I wrote when I re-read. However non-the-less I tell him what I know always. Not because he will get mad if I don't.

It wouldn't be good if they felt 'just like shrooms' to him.
Many reasons, I just pointed out the wrong reason to be the only one mentioned.

So it's not quite the same?
I have read on erowid and elsewhere that peoples experiences included feeling like they were going to die.
But, my brother felt like he WAS dying, not going to.

BIG difference!

The people thinking they were going to die was probably just not as deeply psychedelically weird?

I don't know.
Maybe acquiring some 4 aco dmt for me to try researching myself, to get the feel of it is in order.

 

you can probably feel like you are dying on any psychedelic.
sounds like "ego death"

it's not exclusive to shrooms
it could also happen on LSD or 4acodmt, etc. etc.

but to me, 4acodmt feels different than shrooms

 

(Puts on to do list)
Going to have to do that sometime.

Any other opinions?

 

This, I find 4-aco-dmt has a unique flavor in it's feel compared to shrooms but the types of trips they elicit are very similar.

 

No no. 'Double it' is meant as a joke.

35 is not overly heavy IME [though it would be a definite solid dose], you could possibly have a similar time with 2 hits of acid or an eighth of shrooms as 35mg. 20mg would be lighter and more controlled like a single hit of acid or a gram of p. mushrooms.