Socialism/Sharing with Brethren

All jokes aside, the world would be lovely if everybody shared evrything they had, and sense the christian charities don't do an adequete job, I think it is the government's implicit (not explicit though) responsibility. I see so many good people like myself who care about others, but a few people are totally into themselves, like do whatever, just don't tax my shit. Marx (if he wasn't a hypocrite) had a point. If the government is oprresiing people (socioeconomiclly, ploitclly or otherwise), it is not only our right, but our responsibility to overthrow the system and establish a new fair one. Karl Marx is like Dave Mathews without the guitar. I've read a little Aldous Huxley too. Totally different topics, like spiritutlity, peyote use, mysticism are addreseed, great nevertheless.

 

Sharing is great, but I shouldn't be forced to do it.

 

This.

The op is apparently not a fan of the American Constitution.

I work hard for my money. I should not be forced to share it with people who sit on there ass all day playing video games. These ideas breed laziness, which we have far too much of already.

 

Dave Mathews compared to Karl Marx. lol, please.

 

Do you think its fair that we who work have to pay the freight for someone who is too lazy to get a job? Or one that screws around and dont pull their load?
I go along with healthcare and education providing they kept a decent grade point.

 

assuming that the unemployed and uneducated are in the position they are in due to laziness as opposed to lack of opportunities is ignorant. sure, some people are just lazy and we can't change that, but the majority of people using the social programs in most western countries do so because they don't have any other options.

 

I got mine, so fuck you! Don't force me to give a fuck! This is ahmurika!

 

There are always other options. Many people do not choose them because they are difficult or inconvenient but options are there for people who truly seek them. To say that anyone in North America has no options is absurd. Take a look at the rest of the world and then consider what's actually available here.

 

thats a pretty poor attitude to have. a single mom who has no family to help take care of her child has to take care of her kid and can't work a full time job. even if she could, minimum wage doesn't pay enough to put a child in daycare full time.

some people are definitely lazy and complacent, but there just isn't another option for everyone.

 

What do you base this on? The vast majority of people that I personally meet do have options, but choose to use the social safety net as a hammock. I'm sure things are different in Canada...

 

even if it is the case that the majority of people are misusing social programs (i don't think it is, but i don't really know how to prove it one way or another), it doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist or those who need them.

 

How about you look at it from a different point of view?

A society, is only as strong as it's weakest members. As long as there are those who are in desperate situations, regardless of wether or not 'you got yours' you are in danger of having it taken away.

Reverse this... for whatever reason, you are broke and your children are starving... are you going to sit back and watch them die rather then steal from your neighbor who 'has his'?

I sure wouldn't.... and anyone who would, I would likely punch in the head...

Saying, 'go get a job', when we know for a FACT that there has NEVER been enough jobs for everyone, only demonstrates that you have blinders on that allow you to ignore reality.

The basic needs of everyone should be taken care of, so that nobody is ever put in that type of position.

For those who say the things like "don't force me to share", you only have yours because, based on the joint effort of all of society... Even those with less then you.

You depend on their goodwill, while you tell them to go fuck themselves and watch their children starve....

And you wonder why the world is going to shit.... LMAO

 

lol I love the assumption most people who don't have jobs are simply to lazy to go get one. Also besides all the people without jobs what about those with jobs who can hardly even make ends meet?

 

You ever tried to access these other options?

 

i think a lot of people in the west don't realize that we 'have ours' at the expense of the poorer parts of the world that we exploit for cheap labour and natural resources.

 

I don't think most of them care even when they do know.

 

If one could even call it a safety net...it's not like ones living a luxury life if they get aid from government programs. For one getting such benefits is a hellish process to go through and two you hardly get shit if you do get approved for any of this aid. At least that is all I've ever seen of government help it can vary in states though but its not like we actually have an adequate safety net in this country. Also just my opinion, but the need for a safety net in the first place to me says some pretty negative things about society. Why is there a need for a safety net? why don't we have a society that tries to ensure all it's members survival and quality of life? We have the technology and resources but I guess that's all better spent on destruction.

 

I know and it disturbs me, it also disturbs me that people know that and are perfectly ok with it.

 

You are twisting people's words. When he said "Don't force me to share" the topic was communism.....not our current situation.

My point is that the "safety net" should neither be eliminated, nor extended. Programs need to be in place to help those that need it....but I believe they should be made so it is the people in need who use them, and lower the amount of people abusing them. Welfare should not be a "career choice."

 

I'd love to see people like you arguing as hard against the abuses that the elite cause as you do about the ones the poor do.

As for twisting words... Seriously, get a grip...