CRITERIA OF HA MOSHIACH (THE Messiah) ACCORDING TO HEBREW SCRIPUTURE 1. Must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10 2. Must be a direct descendent of both King David and King Solomon (l Chronicles 17:11; Psalm 89:29-38; Jeremiah 33:17; ll Samuel 7:12-16; l Chronicles 22:10 and ll Chronicles 7:18) 3. Must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel (Isaiah 27:12-13 & 11:12) 4. Must rebuild the Jewish Temple (the 3rd Temple) (Micah 4:1) 5. Must bring in “world peace” (Isaiah 2:4; 11:6 & Micah 4:3) 6. Must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve the One God of Israel (Isaiah 11:9; Isaiah 40:5; and Zephaniah 3:9) All of these criteria for the Messiah are best stated in the book of Ezekiel, Chapter 37:24-28 – if an individual fails to fulfill even ONE of these conditions, he cannot be the Jewish Messiah! In other words, God told His Prophets His criteria of HaMoshiach during the Messianic era. Why would God change His mind? Now, if you want to set up another set of rules, OK, but that will NOT be according to Hebrew Scriptures, which Christianity needs so badly to verify their existence. According to Christianity, Jesus had no human father. Therefore, the discussion of Jesus as the Messiah stops here. Nowhere in Hebrew Scriptures does the Royal Blood Line continue by adoption.The Jewish Scriptures clearly state that a person’s genealogy and tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one’s PHYSICAL father (Numbers 1:18 Jeremiah 33:17) Nowhere in Hebrew Scripture does it ever say that during the Messianic era, HaMoshiach will come back a second time to fulfill the events that had to occur during his time on Earth. And nowhere in Hebrew Scriptures does it say that HaMoshiach would be a deity. Judaism understands the Messiah to be a human being with no connotation of deity or divinity. If Christianity wants to make a man a deity, so let it – that is a pagan belief taken from pre-existing pagan doctrines stolen from the Mitraic worship, Zoroaster, Tammuz, Adonis, Krishna, Osiris, Isis, Dionysus-Bacchus, Buddha and others. These pagan myths all believed: Born on December 25 Born of a Virgin Divinely inspired and became a deity and later worshipped Had visions and revelations and taught ethics Went to school as a child and his teachers were surprised at his knowledge Performed great miracles and restored life to a dead person Birth announced by a star and a Trinity concept and died a violent death Descended into Hades and rose from the Dead Was expected to return in the “later days” The Christian myth grew by absorbing pagan cults. The Christ had to have a Virgin for a mother. Like the image of the child-god in the cult of Dionysus, he was pictured in swaddling clothes in a basket manger. He was born in a stable like Horus--the stable temple of the Virgin Goddess, Isis, Queen of Heaven. Again, like Dionysus, he turned water into wine &; his resurrection took place, like that of Mithra, from a rock tomb. The idea of a suffering god atoning by his death for the sins of men who descend into the darkness and rose again to bring life is NOT new. The idea of someone performing many miracles is also not new – many people before Jesus performed many miracles. All the Egyptian prophets, during Moses time performed miracles. Many Oriental cultures performed miracles also. Christianity is not the only religion in human history to proclaim to the Jewish people that their savior or demigod was resurrected from the grave. The claim of a deity who has defeated the grip of death is one of the most common themes embedded in the flood of religions that have emerged since time immemorial. Christianity’s whole premise is based on this ONE point―The Resurrection. Paul said to his listeners, “If Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain” (I Corinthians 15:14). Where does it say that being resurrected makes one a deity? Judaism believes in the resurrection of the dead too. Elisha returns the child to life in 2 Kings 4:34-35. Even in the end of days, there will be the resurrection of all the dead (Isaiah 26:18 and Ezekiel 37:12. And what more can be proved by Jesus' physical resurrection than that of the resurrection of Lazarus, the widow's son, or the numerous cases reported in oriental history? How does this make anyone a deity? So, as you can clearly see, Jesus in no way can be the Jewish HaMoshiach. Jesus can be: A pagan messiah, YES! A Jewish messiah, NO! One more point, nowhere in Hebrew Scriptures does it ever tell that G-d (HaShem) would come to earth as a human being, a man and die, as a human sacrifice. HaShem told us that human sacrifice was an abomination to him. Human Sacrifices are “An Abomination!” Biblical References Lev.18:21; Deut. 12:3; Jer. 7:31 & 32:35; 2 Kings 16:3 & 17; Ezekiel 20:31, and Psalms 106:32-38 Again, why would God change his mind? He would not! He does not! http://jdstone.org/cr/files/critmosh.html
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[http://www.jfjonline.org/pub/newsle...-10/glasser.htm] Jesus never gathered the exiles, never liberated Judah from the Romans, never established world peace and since the dawn of Xtianity the world has seen more wars, more forced exiles, more persecuations, mass killings some in the name of a bum named Jesus, more genocides, more dictatotrships, more racism, etc [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources...b/crj0169a.html] If Christianity wants to make a man a deity, so let it – that is a pagan belief taken from pre-existing pagan doctrines stolen from the Mitraic worship, Zoroaster, Tammuz, Adonis, Krishna, Osiris, Isis, Dionysus-Bacchus, Buddha and others. These pagan myths all believed: Born on December 25 Born of a Virgin Divinely inspired and became a deity and later worshipped Had visions and revelations and taught ethics Went to school as a child and his teachers were surprised at his knowledge Performed great miracles and restored life to a dead person Birth announced by a star and a Trinity concept and died a violent death Descended into Hades and rose from the Dead Was expected to return in the “later days” The Christian myth grew by absorbing pagan cults. The Christ had to have a Virgin for a mother. Like the image of the child-god in the cult of Dionysus, he was pictured in swaddling clothes in a basket manger. He was born in a stable like Horus--the stable temple of the Virgin Goddess, Isis, Queen of Heaven. Again, like Dionysus, he turned water into wine &; his resurrection took place, like that of Mithra, from a rock tomb. The idea of a suffering god atoning by his death for the sins of men who descend into the darkness and rose again to bring life is NOT new. The idea of someone performing many miracles is also not new – many people before Jesus performed many miracles. All the Egyptian prophets, during Moses time performed miracles. Many Oriental cultures performed miracles also. [http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/qa/threegods.htm] Christians believe in 3 G-ds it is polythiestic religion unlike Judaism [http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/qa/karolatone.htm] ways of getting atonement 1. The sin offering must be brought forth by the person seeking atonement, and slaughtered either by the sinner or by the priest. 2. Death must be caused by a sharp, perfect blade cutting across the neck, resulting in blood loss and swift death. 3. The offering must be physically unblemished. 4. In the case of mammal offerings (bulls, lambs, etc.) the offering must be less than one year old. 5. In the case of mammal offerings, the mammal must have cloven hooves and chew cud. 6. The sacrifice must be brought at the Temple 7. The sacrifice must have its blood taken by a priest and sprinkled on the altar. 8. The sacrifice must be salted. Since Jesus did not fulfill even one of the eight precepts listed above, it's clear that his death could not be the atoning sacrifice Christians claim it is. Missionaries say that G-d must have blood in order to forgive sins. I have even heard them make the blasphemous sounding statement that G-d is incapable, does not have the ability, to forgive without bloodshed. Such an idea is primitive and barbaric, but that is not the point. The point is that the Tanakh does not agree. According to Tanakh, there are several acceptable means for repentance. · Leviticus 5 11 (KJV) But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering. · Isaiah Chapter 1:11 (KJV) To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Micah Chapter 6 is particularly explicit as to what G-d wants: · (KJV) 6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? 7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? o Missionaries sometimes say this means Jesus. But that it not what the text says. Hosea Chapter 14 waxes poetic and describes words (of repentance) as if they were the animal sacrifices ("calves of our lips"): · (KJV) 1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. 2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips. The Psalmist expresses the same idea. · Psalms 40 (KJV) 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. · Psalms 50 (KJV) 7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. Money (Exodus 30:15-16), jewelry (Numbers 31:50) or putting fire from the altar in a censure (Numbers 17:11) are also listed as means to forgiveness. Hosea is specific that animal sacrifices will stop for a temporary period (as opposed to being stopped forever and replaced by something else.) · Hosea Chapter 3: 4 (KJV). For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: 5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days. Here is the list of the verses for easy copy and paste in chatrooms: · Lev 5:11; Is 1:11; Micah 6:6-8; Hosea 3:4-5; Hosea 14:2; Ps 40:6; Ps 50:7-15; Ex 30:15-16; Num 17:11; Num 31:50 SOURCE: Zvika Zaks, Copyright 2001: fiddlerzvi@att.net { http://home.att.net/~fiddlerzvi/ ] If we start reading scripture we will see that God does not need, want, nor desire blood. God, in His kindness, has supplied other means of atonement. God abhors blood and forbids its consumption. God rejected human sacrifice as we see in Genesis 22:12. God demands that each person ask his own forgiveness and gain his own atonement as we see from Exodus 32:3. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">In Leviticus 5:11-13 God accepts meal offerings. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">Numbers 21:7 & 17:12 God accepts incense & jewelry. <LI class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">1 Samuel 15:22, 1 Kings 8: 26-54 Hosea 14:2-3, Psalms 32:5 & 69:31-32 all show (or) prove God's want for prayer vs. sacrifice as does Jeremiah 29:12-13 36:3, & Daniel 6:11-12. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">2 Samuel 12:13 tells of King David being forgiven without any mention of blood. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">Psalms 51:16-17 declares that God does not want a sacrifice or burnt offering <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">Ezekiel 18:30-32 asks for repentance and a change of heart and spirit only a broken spirit and a contrite heart. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">Isaiah 55:7 tells us to "forsake our evil ways and God will abundantly pardon." Jonah 3:19 tells of forgiveness through fasting and repenting. <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 15.6pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level2 lfo6; tab-stops: list 1.0in">Micah 6:8 exhorts us to "do justly love mercy and walk humbly." Zechariah 1:3 "Return unto me and I will return unto you." Not one of these verses asks for a blood offering; yet all offer forgiveness. Exodus 30.12 - Charity can provide atonement for the soul.· Exodus 30.15-16 - Money can make atonement for the soul. · Leviticus 5.11-13 - Flour can make atonement for the soul. · Numbers 14.19-20 - Prayer can make atonement for the soul. · Numbers 31.50 - Jewelry can make atonement for the soul. · Isaiah 27.9 - Breaking alters to idolatry can make atonement. · Jeremiah 36.3 - Turning from evil can make atonement for the soul.
Oh, look! A moldy oldie thread. Seeing how my thread on the Jewish race has bit the dust, let's discuss the Moshiach. The reason why is... the links to the Moshiach and modern day zionism. This Jewish messiah is a regular flesh and blood man, rather than a divine being like Christians and Muslims believe in. Lets examine the criteria for this savior; 1. Must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10 2. Must be a direct descendent of both King David and King Solomon (l Chronicles 17:11; Psalm 89:29-38; Jeremiah 33:17; ll Samuel 7:12-16; l Chronicles 22:10 and ll Chronicles 7:18) 3. Must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel (Isaiah 27:12-13 & 11:12) 4. Must rebuild the Jewish Temple (the 3rd Temple) (Micah 4:1) 5. Must bring in “world peace” (Isaiah 2:4; 11:6 & Micah 4:3) 6. Must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve the One God of Israel (Isaiah 11:9; Isaiah 40:5; and Zephaniah 3:9) Now I ask you, is zionism not attempting to fullfill these exact same requirments, but in a secular way? Point # 3 has been ongoing since the formation of Isreal as a nation in 1948. Point #4 is HIGH in the zionist list of things to do. This feat will seal their power as the representatives of the Jews. The faithful misguided will see it as a fulfullment of prophesy. Point # 5 World peace under a one world government. Theirs. Point # 6 Israel is to be the seat of this New World Order. MY point is zionism is attempting to fulfull prophecies but in a secular way. It has left God out of the equation altogether. The leader of Iran is doing the same thing from a Muslim point of view. John Hagee and other Christian zionist are doing the same thing in the US. All three messiah figures being tempted to come forth by secular means rather than spiritual. Are we not now heading for the perfect storm? x
Yup, to the Jews it;s all or nothing. That's why they were through the last century and continue to be the throb of Western doubt for How and Why we control time. The west seems at last with Obama in the U.S. to exist with the pursuit of Time control. We can't explain what it is but the impetous for instance to keep driving the cars with and in spite of the higher gas prices, the continued building of expensive housing along the southern California coast, the extravagant and risky rebuilding of New Orleans. One may only wonder if the Hebrew will may someway alter this hopeless route to catastrophe with a different consumption culture and perhaps Ethos by the understanding of regression in the Economic realization. Hey, good lord, I hear that Lieberman wants to enter his endorcement of candidate McCain for November. Time is on our side.
